'Wolfdogs' of unknown origin - CzW or not? - Page 4

Nebelwölfe · 24-08-2008, 23:30

Unfortunately not at VDH - the German Kennel Club. Here you can only register - even if you can prove parentship by DNA.

farena · 04-09-2008, 15:19

Hello,

Sorry, but I don´t understand what you want to explain. Could you give us more explanations about your statement, please.

lupis · 20-11-2008, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Angelika

many??? You find out only one: Amber - an excellent CSW. Your friends are simply jealous

it is not true. I hear some dog in germany not have parents in the pedigree. Have nothing in pedigree. if write in you country you can make DNA test and proove dog has parents purebreed why some dogs have nothing? it means if dog has nothing (no parents) in pedigree it is sure not czech wolfdog because DNA show no normal parents?

michaelundinaeichhorn · 20-11-2008, 13:55

The reason is that those dogs have registration pedigree. The VDH refuses DNA-tests for paternity in registration dogs. All registration pedigrees are without ancestors. The owner of Amber wanted to do DNA-tests to proof the pedigree of her dog it was refused.

Ina

elf · 21-11-2008, 01:18

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Originally Posted by lupis

But why everybody is against Fabio only? I see here on wolfdog puppies of breeders also breeding mixes. And nobody is writing about them it is wrong. Why you do it?
Here is one dog http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7424
I know no pedigree. Who told it is a czech wolfdog?

I think if you want f be fair you must make same staps against all breeders with dogs with no pedigrees and not only Fabio. Because so it is not right.

Some more for you:

http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/6283
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/6347
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/6284
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/10385
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/5118
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/7881
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/7424
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/7343

elf · 21-11-2008, 01:39

You have also mistake, this one http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/10432 is a Saarloos.

mijke · 21-11-2008, 02:00

How do you know?

But before you have any comment

: the more I know and find out about some west European breeders the more sick I become…

elf · 21-11-2008, 09:44

I know the owner, I don't know why this dog is in the DB. I know some more dogs like this, it is not the only one Saarloos in the DB.
This to say that the DB is a great tool, but as everywhere else you can find mistake, so one need to take care using the DB and jump too fast into conclusions.

admin · 21-11-2008, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by elf

I know the owner, I don't know why this dog is in the DB. I know some more dogs like this, it is not the only one Saarloos in the DB.

We found two so far... Such dogs were added because the owner used the form "Add a dog" and there was nothing suspicious (in this case the breeders breeds Saarloos and CzW).
And there are more cases where information given to us was not correct. But we found a solution - in the database we have two "levels" saying if the info is correct or maybe not.

Now it is not visible but in the new database you will be able to see if the data of a dog is "just added" (someone send info about this dog) or if it is already verified (we make the verification basing on the official publications given by the kennel clubs or breed clubs).

elf · 21-11-2008, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admin

We found two so far... Such dogs were added because the owner used the form "Add a dog" and there was nothing suspicious (in this case the breeders breeds Saarloos and CzW).
And there are more cases where information given to us was not correct. But we found a solution - in the database we have two "levels" saying if the info is correct or maybe not.

Now it is not visible but in the new database you will be able to see if the data of a dog is "just added" (someone send info about this dog) or if it is already verified (we make the verification basing on the official publications given by the kennel clubs or breed clubs).

Great job, this is the only way, verified part Vs not verified.

mijke · 21-11-2008, 13:37

@Elf:
Maybe you can arrange that also in your country the kennelclub or breedclub will publish all the offical data ??

It would be great help for verifying CsW info, also to have the offcial publications of for example the French and Belgium Kennel or Breed club

elf · 22-11-2008, 12:37

Will check what's possible to do.

04-09-2008, 15:19	#62
farena Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Barcelona Posts: 16	Hello Hello, Sorry, but I don´t understand what you want to explain. Could you give us more explanations about your statement, please.

21-11-2008, 02:00	#67
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	How do you know? But before you have any comment : the more I know and find out about some west European breeders the more sick I become… __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

21-11-2008, 13:37	#71
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	@Elf: Maybe you can arrange that also in your country the kennelclub or breedclub will publish all the offical data ?? It would be great help for verifying CsW info, also to have the offcial publications of for example the French and Belgium Kennel or Breed club __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

24-08-2008, 23:30	#61
Nebelwölfe Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: am Hochrhein Posts: 771	Unfortunately not at VDH - the German Kennel Club. Here you can only register - even if you can prove parentship by DNA.

20-11-2008, 13:55	#64
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	The reason is that those dogs have registration pedigree. The VDH refuses DNA-tests for paternity in registration dogs. All registration pedigrees are without ancestors. The owner of Amber wanted to do DNA-tests to proof the pedigree of her dog it was refused. Ina

21-11-2008, 01:39	#66
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	You have also mistake, this one http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/10432 is a Saarloos.

21-11-2008, 09:44	#68
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	I know the owner, I don't know why this dog is in the DB. I know some more dogs like this, it is not the only one Saarloos in the DB. This to say that the DB is a great tool, but as everywhere else you can find mistake, so one need to take care using the DB and jump too fast into conclusions.

22-11-2008, 12:37	#72
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Will check what's possible to do.