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Old 06-11-2003, 17:07   #1
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Default Importing a pup from Europe to the U.S.A - shipping

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I am a new member and would like to find out more about the possibilities of getting a puppy. I have read and studied a lot about wolfdogs and wolf hybrids, and I am very interested in getting a CsV puppy. I live in South Mississippi, USA. I don't think I would ever be able to go to Europe to get a puppy, and am wondering if there is any other (affordable) way to get one. I have read some of the topics here, and realize there are no breeders in the US. If there is anyone there who can help me with info on this, I would really appreciate it.

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Old 17-12-2004, 11:34   #2
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Hello all, new to this forum, just searching for some information.

My wife and I, after researching what seems like every breed of dog in the known universe, have decided that a CS Wolfdog is the perfect breed for us. Unfortunately, we live in California, USA, and there are no breeders in this country. However, I have family in Prague, and, if possible, we'd love to combine a trip to visit them with an addition to our family. My question is, is it possible to bring a CS Wolfdog into the States (I really don't care how many hoops I have to jump through) and also, how might one go about tracking down a truly reputable breeder near Prague? (I've seen the breeder list on this site...would this be best?)

Unfortunately, I am about to leave for a week, and I do not know if I can get access to the internet, but hopefully someone will be able to point me in the right direction.

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Old 17-12-2004, 13:16   #3
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Hello,

it is no problem to bring a dog to your country, but there seem to be some US states that don´t allow them, you should check that first. Normally the dog only needs the normal vaccinations and there are several transportcompanies that are specialised in animaltransports and can tell you the details. They are sometimes even cheaper than transporting the dog privately and do a very good job. Even a puppy is to heavy to be allowed to stay with you in the plane.
Take some time and visit several breeders not only the ones around Prag, from the American point of view everything is very close together in Europe, even the different states. You will find that everybody is very willing to help you and many of them speak English.

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Old 18-12-2004, 21:07   #4
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Hi,
I can recommend only, that you family from Prague can check actually offers of puppies on our main page and call to breeders. Its the best way. Am not sure, if somebody can valuate, who is "truly reputable breeder". Its always very subjective valuation. Only you or the people, which you belive can make the choice.
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I am very interested in getting a Czechoslovakian wolfdog... and maybe starting a kennel here in the US... however, I've never dealt with dogs that I have to import. (I bred German Shepherds... only using the US ones). and I was wondering how much it costs to ship a puppy (or 2 or 3) from say the Czech Republic or Slovakia to Salt Lake City, Utah. Has anyone dealt with shipping dogs overseas?
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Old 11-10-2005, 09:39   #6
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Hello,

I am a breeder of German Shepherds too in Holland and I wrote several times about shipping a CW to the USA., and there are different dog from our Kennel in the USA.

Maybe you can find it on the list in the English forum unter my name

It is not so difficult to send a puppy into the USA but it depends of the aircompagny if it is a direct flight or a flight with a stop between.

If you want more information, please ask about it.

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Old 11-10-2005, 13:23   #7
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I don't think it's very difficult to send puppies from Europe to the USA. It depends more on the breeder you choose. I mean how much experience they have and so. I live in Spain (Southern Europe) and last year I bought a puppy from the Czech Republic. It arrived with no problems because the breeder chose s dircand short flight. So it's about asking. Good Luck
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Old 11-10-2005, 19:35   #8
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hello from Belgium,
in june I've send a puppy (Elek of mercedes dream) to JFK New York.
The company was Delta Airlines, a direct flight from Brussels. Price +/_ 550€. Elek arrived in very good condition. Normally the new owners are on this forum. So you can ask them more details.
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Thanks everyone who answered ... does 550 euro sound pretty typical? Does it cost more if you have to have the puppy switch flights? And can you put two puppies in a kennel together or do they have to be in seperate kennels? (And does it cost more for them to be in seperate kennels, even if they're on the same flight?)
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I did a bit of research and found that the cheapest and least stops and shortest flights from the czech republic are about 771 us dollars (thats a little less than 600 euro) for an adult person one way... but there are like two stops... starts in prague, goes to frankfurt, then another plane goes from frankfurt to denver, colorado and then from there to salt lake city, utah... is that too much switching around for a puppy? Altogether its a 15 hour trip. Poor babies, I wish we didnt have to ship them for so long of a time... I know a puppy cant hold itself for that long

I guess I should invest in some adult dogs too... does shipping a larger dog cost more?
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I totally forgot to ask, what is the price of a puppy and what is the price of a breeding adult? I know they will be expensive... but how much?
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Hello again from Barcelona (Spain). You ask about the price pf a puppy. Of course it will differ from one breeder to another but the average is about 1000€ (I think that is about 1200$). Please choose the shortest flight. Puppies suffer because it's very traumatic for them and the shorter the flight, the best . I certainly don't know if the price of an adult will be very difeerent but forgive my curiosity: why would you want an adult dog? Don't you think it's much better to grow them by yourself?
Anyway the cost for shipping an animal is the price you pay for the room that the cage occupies.
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I love raising puppies, yes... but it's kind of a mixed bag as to what they will look like (with this breed at least), it seems. If I want to breed CzW's, I can't get all puppies and just hope they grow up to be nice looking dogs... with an adult I know what it looks like and how it compares to the standard already... so I can get top of the line, nice looking dogs and produce my own line of nice looking puppies. And that way I dont have to wait 1 year, to see if they are along the lines I want (and of a breedable standard), and then 2 more years before they mature enough to be bred.

With an 8 week old puppy, it's just too hard to see what it will look like... for all you know it could grow up and look like a freak of nature, and then where would I be? Out 1200 dollars... because there is no way I would breed a dog of low quality. Of course, it would be a nice pet, but it wouldnt be good to use it in a breeding program.
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I have another question... I don't understand the hip scores that the dogs have... is A(0/0) a good thing? What are the different scores on the CzW and which is good and which is bad?
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Has anyone dealt with shipping dogs overseas?
In the fact it is sometimes easier to send a puppy/dog do US than to other country in Europe... So if you will find a breeder which will ship there will be no problem to get a puppy...

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And can you put two puppies in a kennel together or do they have to be in seperate kennels?
No, they must travel in separate kennels. But if you will buy a puppy you can pick it up personally you can take it with you on board (in this case you don't need to pay for the puppy an extra price....)

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I totally forgot to ask, what is the price of a puppy and what is the price of a breeding adult? I know they will be expensive... but how much?
Take a look on this "old" topic...
PRICES OF WOLFDOGS

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Of course it will differ from one breeder to another but the average is about 1000€ (I think that is about 1200$).
Average? No - it is pretty high price. The price for a CzW in West Europe suggested for example by German Club is 950EUR, in Holland 850 EUR, aso... And the prices in East Europe are lower or much lower.
Sure you can also buy a puppy from a huge factory with recognized "trade mark" (something like Rebook or Nike ) which exist for example in Italy for 1500EUR but if you are looking for good socialized puppy from an interesting mating I will suggest to buy a puppy from smaller breeder where the puppies grow up at home with a lot of attention and contact with people - you will see the difference already by a puppy. If you plan to breed with the dog smaller breeder is also much better choice because such breeders care for interesting and precious matings while huge breeder are simply not able to cover their bitches with the best dogs of this breed (are not able to travel with every female for example abroad) - if someone has many females he will be forced to use his own stud dogs even if they are not very nice and they do not fit to the females (because of the genetic, health and exteriour reasons) and by the puppies you will be have multiplicied faults of the parents....

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I love raising puppies, yes... but it's kind of a mixed bag as to what they will look like (with this breed at least), it seems. If I want to breed CzW's, I can't get all puppies and just hope they grow up to be nice looking dogs... with an adult I know what it looks like and how it compares to the standard already... so I can get top of the line, nice looking dogs and produce my own line of nice looking puppies. And that way I dont have to wait 1 year, to see if they are along the lines I want (and of a breedable standard), and then 2 more years before they mature enough to be bred.
Sure, you are right. But we say "nobody sells best horses from his stable" - nobody will sell you very good adult dog. In all this years I never heard about selling a REAL "champion"... But sure you can find people which because of some reasons offer good quality adult dogs...

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I have another question... I don't understand the hip scores that the dogs have... is A(0/0) a good thing? What are the different scores on the CzW and which is good and which is bad?
A and B means hips are clear. 'A' is absolutly clear. And 'B' ist border value but still without dysplasy. 'C' is light, 'D' average and 'E' strong dysplasy. The numbers in bracket say about separate hips 0=A, 1=B, 2=C, 3=D, 4=E. So the results C(0/2) means the dogs has light dysplasy but one hip is 0 (clear) and second is 2 (light dysplasy).
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In some countries like Germany they only take the worse hip for scoring because it´s the one that matters. Germany has to classes to every degree, A1, A2, B1, B2 and so on. 1 is better than 2 but the degrees are the same like in other countries.

If you are looking for a really good breeding dog you should take some time and go at least to the special breed shows in different countries judged by a specialised judge to have a look and get an idea how they should look like. There are quite a lot of international champions that don´t have a chance on a special breed show.

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Hello,

About shipping 2 puppy's together. It depends of the aircompagny and the weight of the puppy's together. when they are over a certain weight, than they have to travel seperated.

The price depends of the m3 of the cage.

Direct flights are p.e. by Delta lines and KLM and Transavia, Lufthansa and it depends also of the destination.

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Hello! As Patrick from Mercedes Dream mentioned, he shipped me a puppy from Belgium to New York in June. The process was not difficult, but I would recommend finding out if your state will allow this breed. We did have to notify all nearby neighbors and officials that Elek was in fact a dog and not a wolf, just incase he escaped people would not confuse him. His flight was very long, but when we picked him up at the airport, he had to go through customs and department of health. After he was cleared, they brought him out in his little bench and there he sat looking at us. He was healthy, happy and just adorable. WE LOVE HIM!!! Please keep in mind that these dogs require a lot of time and patience. We have been taking him to training classes and he is excellent. All in all the total cost of purchasing and shipping costs 1,700 US dollars. I would love to talk to anyone in the US who is considering this breed if you have any questions and I highly recommend this breeder (Mercedes Dream). This breeder was exceptional in answering all my questions and sendiing us a puppy who was healthy and well socialized.
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Just less than 2 weeks ago, I picked up my 9 week old CzW puppy from the company that shipped him to the US. He is wonderful and we're happy to have him, and because there are so many questions (seems like about once per week or so!) about how to get a Czech Wolfdog to the US, I decided to post about my full experience.

I stumbled upon this breed on the internet, and ended up at Wolfdog.org. I had owned a lot of Northern Breed Dogs in the past, including an Eastern Timberwolf "Hybrid", a German Sheperd, and a Siberian Husky (2 years old at the time, I still have her). We had recently been looking for another puppy, and I became intrigued with this breed. I started emailing several people who actively posted on this site, including Mirka, who was very helpful giving me all kinds of information. Eventually, once I became convinced that this was the perfect breed for my family, I started to get in touch with breeders, and my search led me to Hana Kaufman (Hanka) from the Czech Republic. We began emailing, and after talking to her quite a bit I decided to purchase one of the puppies from the Albert z Vlci chaloupky x Ko-Ko z Molu Es litter. I fell in love with Hanka's dogs from all the pictures she sent me (and from videos of her dogs sledding and spending time with her family, I could tell the dogs were really loved and not just part of a puppy mill). From when I first reached this site, it took me probably a little over a year's worth of researcdh and negotiation (and lots of help by many people on this site) to get everything worked out to get a puppy.

As soon as Polo (my pup) was over 8 weeks old (actually 9 by the time he got on a flight), we shipped him from the Czech Republic to Portland (Oregon) on Lufthansa Airlines. He spent one night in Frankfurt at a Kennel where I am told that they take the dogs out and walk them, and clean out their box (I had no way to verify this, but I hope they were very kind to Polo). We drove from Seattle (Washington) to Portland to pick him up, everyone from the airline and from customs that we dealt with was very kind. We paid $700 for the puppy, around $600 for shipping (if I remember correctly), and just a bit under $200 for a crate to ship him in (which we ordered thru Hanka).

Amazingly, Polo was in great spirits when we picked him up after two days of mostly flying. He was excited to see us and was very social. We took him directly to a pet store where he got a bath (he had soiled his crate in flight), and he was excited about meeting and playing with other dogs there.

Since we got home Polo has been wonderful, although very trying. He gets along great with our Husky, often wanting to wrestle with her. He loves being around the family, and cries when we leave the room. I try to keep him separate from our Husky as much as possible during the day so that he remains interested in bonding with people. His tempermant reminds me a lot of my Timberwolf Toby in terms of his intelligence, but unlike a high content wolf he is confident around strangers and doesn't shy away. This breed is not for the faint of heart or for people who just want to feel "macho" by having a pet who looks like a wolf, I can already tell that they take lots of attention and a confident handler who can assert their alpha status and raise the pup lovingly. During the course of writing this email Polo ate a letter of mine, and tried to pee on the carpet! Constant attention.

I hope that detailing this might help out someone who wants to know about the breed and whether it is possible to get them in the US. I can't say enough about Hanka and how great it was to talk with her and get this puppy from her, she is a great person and I would recommend her to anyone looking for a puppy. I'd also love to know of any other US owners (I wonder how many true CzW there are in the US?). I'm happy to answer any questions posted in this thread, and I plan to post pictures of Polo in the near future.
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Hey Tyson,
how it continues, your experiences with CSV? Will you have some photos too?
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