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24-08-2009, 18:50 | #1 |
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New admin
For who to send results from shows and exams, now an apparently new admin is in charge of this site ?
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24-08-2009, 23:27 | #3 |
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Thanks for info
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24-08-2009, 23:57 | #5 | |
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I also wonder why GB and their breeders are removed. Could anyone answer? |
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After the breed will be accepted by KC and the puppies will get "normal" (FCI recognized) pedigrees the responsible breeders (who do not mix CzW with any other breeds) from GB will appear on the list. |
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25-08-2009, 08:53 | #7 | |
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I don't understand one thing: why do people who hate this private website and openly criticize it again and again in a deplorable manner, ofend regularly its owners/admins/moderators, throw accusations on CSV owners/breeders, not only keep posting here, but also care if they are listed or not and vicitmize themselves if they aren't. There is no obligation to be a member of this community, especially if you hate if so much and think so badly of it!
It's like a case when somebody went to somebody's private home in muddy boots, broke the best vase, called the hosts names, ofended other vistors and then was surprised/shocked and cross that he was not invited again to that place. Why don't you guys take your toys and go to another sand-pit or build your own one where you can apply rules and regulations you wish? Quote:
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25-08-2009, 19:04 | #8 |
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Ok this is a stupid stupid question but....
does the Admin have a name?? I thought it was Przemek but maybe I'm wrong!
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26-08-2009, 00:38 | #12 | |
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was this not done in Europe? maybe i get mixed up........ |
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26-08-2009, 22:42 | #13 | |
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My oldest male and female are registered with the AKC Foundation Stock Service (FSS), which is the preliminary phase for rare or new breeds. My younger female's paperwork is pending, my younger male will be registered once I have his paperwork from Italy. After 300 dogs/150 owners are registered with the FSS, the breed moves into the Miscellaneous class for a year before being eligible for AKC sanctioned conformation events. In the FSS phase, the CSV is eligible for performance, working and companion events once a breed club, standard, and 3 generation pedigreed dogs are established in the US. The AKC and FCI will reciprocate with pedigrees - each honors the other. Imported dogs must be DNA verified with the AKC (and match the microchip/tattoo inserted by the breeder's vet) before their litters can be registered. Beyond that, is up to the American breed club to establish a code of ethics for breeders related to the AKC. At this point in time, I imagine most, if not all, CSVs bred in the US will remain in the US (although I have had some inquiries about future litters from some mutt breeders in the UK - I didn't respond), since they don't possess any uniquely diverse genes that are not already in Europe. There is a higher chance of dogs in the UK making their way to mainland Europe, I would imagine, simply out of closer proximity. I also health test all of my dogs before I breed...my 2 oldest have their Penn-Hip results (which takes 3 x-rays - distraction, Norberg, and standard hip-extended view). In the standard hip-extended view, it was noted that there was no degenerative joint disease - HD, or cavitation in either dog. In laxity (looseness of hips), my male (Taabernakkelin Hronsek) had hip results of 0.38 and 0.39. My female (Anthea od Vlci SKaly) had hip results of 0.23 and 0.37. Both were in the 80th percentile for all breeds - they have tighter hips than 80% of all dogs tested. As far as I know, they are the only CSVs to take the Penn-Hip evaluation (currently it is a closed database). Once 20 CSVs have been tested, there will be specific statistics for the breed, and results will be even more useful and accurate. Margo already has copies of my certificate - it's her choice to use them (or not) if she thinks they will benefit the website. Penn Hip website: http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Defaul...nn.edu/pennhip Tool to find certified Penn-Hip vets in different countries that give Penn-Hip tests (in the USA, it's a bit more expensive than OFA - but the standard x-ray can be taken at the same time, so x-rays only need to be taken once for submission to other foundations). Penn-hip will provide statistics for breed clubs: http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Default.aspx?TabId=3539 Articles on the science of Penn-Hip: http://www.amrottclub.org/health_pennhip.shtml http://www.canismajor.com/dog/pennhip1.html I will be testing for ED once my female is 2 years. Results will be found here (OFA hip results for 2 wolfdogs - not mine - can already be found here): http://www.offa.org/search.html (scroll to Czechoslovakian Wolfdog) My CERF (eye) results are pending, and will be found here: http://sunnycrest.vmdb.org/CerfWebSe...rchByName.aspx Once I figure out a way to export my dog's blood to the Netherlands, I'd also like to test for the dwarfism gene. I love this breed, and really do want to start things out right in the USA...this year I was very lucky to see my first bonitation (in Roudnice nad Labem, in April), and also to meet Karel Hartl and many owners, breeders and wolfdogs! Blusteel also has very good intentions, and have a history of ethical breeding of the Cane Corso. All of the very best, Marcy
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27-08-2009, 00:20 | #17 |
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why dont you be a good girl or i will put up all the emaills i was sent when you where ignorant and abusive to peoplle in uk, and some where from people you know very well, this would take the grin of your silly little smiley faces.
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27-08-2009, 05:29 | #18 | |
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As far as litters/breeders being listed on this site, I think it is the regulation that kennels that breed mixes are banished - whether they are from the UK or another country...I've never bred a mixed litter (or purebred CSV litter), or had my dogs involved with one, so maybe it is also the reason I am still listed. If I followed the practice, I would also be banished. I think the "elusive Admin" tries to be fair, but he/she/they also do their best to look out for the best interest of the breed in maintaining the site...this is a narrow and difficult line to walk...a difficult part of leadership of the site, I imagine, especially knowing they will make some people upset. In many breed clubs in the USA, there is a code of ethics breeders must follow - a set of rules meant to protect the dogs - that has sanctions against breeders who breed mixed litters intentionally (it's viewed as an unethical practice) - the sanctions may be fines, or a period (usually 1-5 years) where dogs/litters owned by the breeder can't be registered, exhibited, etc. I don't know what the steps to redemption are for this site to be listed again, if there are any...but it is a private site, so those steps aren't required either. It is a privilege - but not a right - to be listed here. The privilege comes to those who abide by the rules - sometimes there are areas which are not so clear which must be responded to and worked through as the need arises (like the problem with ED on the other thread)- that is part of change and evolution with any organization, especially when there is no precedant...but again, this is only my perception...maybe I am wrong. As for the AKC...haha...that is a whole different huge, ugly can of worms. It is based on money - until you have a large amount of dogs registered, the AKC doesn't think it is worth their time to devote attention to a breed. Once a breed is recognized, it becomes very political with professional handlers. Many newer (especially working) breed clubs have fought against recognition by the AKC...us Americans have a bad reputation for doing bad things to some dog breeds...our shelters and veterinary clinics full of genetically unhealthy dogs are living proof...this is part of the reason I was attracted to the CSV - it is a breed with real potential here, one that hasn't been ruined by poor breeding in the US. And now, it is why I do my best to steer it in a good direction in any way I can in the US. Mostly for fun, and to introduce other people to the breed, I show in UKC shows (no professional handlers allowed) - but this registry is not recognized by the FCI. Marcy
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02-09-2009, 14:09 | #19 |
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As usual when some users are around the thread is totally out of its original text.
Can we create another endless thread AGAIN for UK&US breeding please by the way, i asked already and ask again WHO IS ADMIN massimo
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Most discussions evolve (in person, or on a forum) in different ways - but maybe next time I will start 10 new threads for each related thought or detail I have about a topic. As far as I know, there are no threads (other than people popping on every now and then to ask about it) about American breeding - since no litters have ever been bred in the US. If moderators or Admin want to move it to a new thread, it's no problem. In that case, I apologize for my confusion. I have faith in them to make a good judgement. I don't think Admin is Mickey Mouse - it's either Margo or Przemek - or someone they trust - and that is enough for me. Don't deride me, please, Massimo....so far as I know, I have done nothing to wrong you... Marcy
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