Database question - who did it?

[draggar]

Who did your database? I'm looking for something similar for the vlcaks in the USA, similar to what you have but far more involved.

I've been receiving quotes from different people (and I've received quite a range of quotes, too!!).

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by draggar

Who did your database? I'm looking for something similar for the vlcaks in the USA, similar to what you have but far more involved.

I've been receiving quotes from different people (and I've received quite a range of quotes, too!!).

Why do you want to invent a bicycle? You want to make an other database for wolfdogs in USA, but why is this one not enought?

[draggar]

Actually, there are two, the Pedigree Database has a vlcak section, too.

I don't want to reinvent something but enhance it. For example, the health certifications this one just lists HD, ED, and PRA (I think that's a health cert?). I've spoken to some owners here and all 3 breeding kennels and they'd like to see:

- DM (Degenerative Myelopathy) - Not Tested - N/N - N/a - a/a
- OFA Hips (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- PENN Hips (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- CERF (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- Elbows (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- Patella (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- Heart (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- Thyroid (not tested, tested + a text field for results)

We also would like to expand the registration part to include FCI and microchips (all companies).

No place on this one for the owner to put in a short biography of the dog (although I do like the "dog shows" section).

No advanced search (yes, it says there is but I don't see it). Just a simple keyword search.

Also, I see complaints in this section about how updates aren't being done in a timely manner, etc..

There are a lot of good things about this database here (in addition to being established) but it seems some important / critical pieces are missing. If the admins are willing to work to get it expanded, maybe we can stick with this one.

[saschia]

If you do your own database, do not forget to include the dwarf test too.

[*Satu]

p.s Only Gonioscopy gives real results of the eye

[Mikael]

And maybe you want to add Height at the withers, as you do not have any Bonitations in the US...

I know more info will bee added into the new Wolfdog.org database, but maybe a US one is a good ide anyway, for reasons like the example whit the height...

Very best regards and good luck / Mikael

[draggar]

I didn't know there was a PD issue with the vlcaks (and the issue with GSDs is small now) but I'll be sure to add it.

Satu - ? I did a quick Google search and it looks like it's only done on humans?

Mikael - height at the withers, not a bad idea.

I am willing to work with the admins on getting the one here complete so we don't have redundancy. I'd rather have one complete one than several different ones.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by *Satu

p.s Only Gonioscopy gives real results of the eye

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a Gonioscopy only detect goniodysgenesis (narrow angles)? Can other eye problems like corneal dystrophy and hypoplasia be detected with a gonioscopy?

Just asking, cause a breed club I know of (of another breed) recommends both CERF and a gonioscopy (breed is predisposed to glaucoma), as it a gonioscopy's results aren't covered by a CERF examination, but neither is all CERF results found by a gonioscopy either.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by draggar

Actually, there are two, the Pedigree Database has a vlcak section, too.

I don't want to reinvent something but enhance it. For example, the health certifications this one just lists HD, ED, and PRA (I think that's a health cert?). I've spoken to some owners here and all 3 breeding kennels and they'd like to see:

Haha, nobody uses Pedigree database

Ok, I can understand people, who want to know as much as possible about their dog's health, but isn't this kind of database a little bit too much? Aren't you afraid of narrowing genopool even more? We allready read scary stories about people neutring their DM/N dogs. Look:

- DM (Degenerative Myelopathy) - Not Tested - N/N - N/a - a/a
- OFA Hips (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- PENN Hips (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- CERF (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- Elbows (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- Patella (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- Heart (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
- Thyroid (not tested, tested + a text field for results)
plus
- Height
- Dwarfism
- Bite/teeth set
- Training

Does it really seem sensible? What if a dog will still have some "weak" parts? Won't this dog become undesirable for breeding? What if we could test some very popular studs, that are no longer alive? Do you really think they would "meet" every punkt here?

[GalomyOak]

Haha, I know at least one very good breeder, and important wolfdog.org "user" from Europe who had puppies advertised on pedigreedatabase last year...and updates their dogs on the website regularly. Right now, it's the only place that can generate a pedigree for a planned litter with younger dogs (who aren't on elf's cool tool) until the puppy tool is fixed on our site.

As I understood from Admin many months ago...won't there be more features - including health features - added to the "new database" on wolfdog.org? I believe the database was initially built/designed by Margo and her brother...not simply purchased.

As for health features, we already have public databases for many of the things here:
hips (OFA is the same as the test in Europe)
PennHip would be nice
elbows
CERF (it says PRA here)
height (in bonitation results)
training results
DM (on different site)
Dwarfism (on different site)
Bite/teeth (in bonitation results)

Patella, heart, and thyroid are the only results we don't have a database for - I know there are some heart problems in the breed, but don't know if tests show it - do we have problems with patella and thyroid? Are those necessary?

Also, if we talk only about dogs within the US...there is a public database on offa.org - if dogs have normal results, they are automatically displayed. If they are carriers/affected dogs, it is the owner's decision to display the results.

I, for one, like knowledge, more information and science in everything I do...as for the people who go on a witch hunt about genetics and spay and neuter...it's up to these people on their own to come out of the "dark ages" and use health results appropriately.

[Rona]

Marcy, I love your common sense and logical approach.