22-10-2010, 16:27 | #1 |
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Bigger do not mean better
Last time I received several emails from stud dog owners saying me to promote their dogs more than other males (even with marking them will more visible colour) because their dogs are... HIGHER than other stud dogs (have 74 or 75 cm at withers.
Because it seems to be a kind of "plague" I would like to write the answer on the official way - I will not mark ANY dogs more visible than other dogs. First because there is no such possibility. Second - because such dogs are... less typical than the smaller males. The standard says two things: GENERAL APPEARANCE: Firm type in constitution. Above average size with rectangular frame. and HEIGHT AND WEIGHT Height at Withers: Dogs at least 65 cm Bitches at least 60 cm Weight: Dogs at least 26 kg Bitches at least 20 kg It means (and it was so from the begging of this breed) that the typical Czechoslovakian measure: 65-70cm for a male 60-65cm for a female Bigger dogs are accepted and will be not disqualified but such dogs are overgrown (can be described as "too big") and because of it are tolerated but not prefered. The goal of this breed is not to breed dogs as high (or as heavy) as possible. But to breed dogs as typical as possible but also having the typical size for Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. |
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sorry... in your writing I don't find the word "proportions"... I think it is a useful word...
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22-10-2010, 16:58 | #3 |
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I am pretty surprised about the requests you received and I believe you were right in claryfing this point.
...but... this is the first time I hear about a "maximum" high for this breed (even though you say that higher dogs are "tolerated") Where does it come from the idea that the typical height is 65-70 for males and 60-65 for females? Is there any document by any Club stating that? Or it is just your personal opinion? Or the opinion of some others? I am asking this because some Judges in Italy write "too big" in some tall dogs judgements, and since now I thought it was a completely wrong thing. |
22-10-2010, 17:31 | #4 |
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Visot che il forum è in italiano io risponderò in italiano
Marta credo che l'admin intendesse dire , e mi trova pure d'accordo , che alcuni puntano sull'altezza perdendo molto in altre qualità , credo mediamente che i clc molto alti risultano poi un pò grossolani ,come si dice, non rispecchiando le caratterstiche del CLC Quindi il fatto di aver un CLC alto non vuol dire aver un CLC più bello di altri Poi magari ci sta pure quello alto 75 e perfettamente in standard, giusto nelle proporzioni e non grossolano , ma credo che siano più una rarità. Beh meglio di me ti potranno rispondere gli allevatori forse :-) |
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but in the bonitation report the standard is 65-70 and 60-65. http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/articles/918.html
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22-10-2010, 17:49 | #6 |
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Ah sì Claudia concordo perfettamente con quello che dici, e mi fa anzi piuttosto sorridere che gli/le siano arrivate delle richieste del genere!
Mi (gli/le) chiedevo solo, visto che parlava di "altezze tipiche" dando delle misure ben chiare se non ci fosse qualche sorta di regola o quantomeno "orientamento" in questo senso da parte dei club stranieri Ma questo perché mi sembrava che volesse dire qualcosa di più, e anche perché mi piacerebbe sapere se questi giudici quando assegnano un "troppo alto" lo fanno perché effettivamente, anche se nello standard non c'è scritto, esiste una "altezza tipica" scritta da qualche parte o meno |
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Si Marta hai ragione ad indagare e chiedere delucidazioni, io credo che lo si faccia per prassi e come sa poi...
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da stabilire se i cani alti sono fuori standard... Nin zò, a me i cani alti piacciono una cifra!
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22-10-2010, 18:11 | #10 |
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Quello lo decide lo standard, e sono sicura che la risposta è no.
Se fosse alto meno del minimo previsto dallo standard nella bonitazione un cane credo risulterebbe un P14, sbaglio? Se invece è superiore ai 65/70 non viene ritenuto neanche una imperfezione Last edited by Martab; 22-10-2010 at 18:24. |
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Because of it you can see on the bonitation card that only males from 65 to 70 cm and females from 60 till 65cm can get the code As - it means "standard size". Quote:
Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs are places between them as they are a breed which is "ABOVE the average size" (but still not a large/big dog breed). |
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Also agree that a 72cm dog with good proportion can be better than 69cm dog with bad proportion. But a 68cm dog with good proportion is more "typical" than a 72cm dog with good proportion. |
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22-10-2010, 18:39 | #13 |
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Thanks a lot for your answers
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22-10-2010, 18:42 | #14 |
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thank U 4 your explanation
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22-10-2010, 20:57 | #15 |
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Denghiu'! Ma ve lo immaginate che figata un clc alto come un irish wolfhound!?
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22-10-2010, 21:05 | #16 |
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Thank you, probably after this explanation the people in Italy will not say to me that a male of 67cm is small, or maybe they will say it but they know that are in wrong!
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