CzW ownership in UK - Page 5

Czunksolov · 17-02-2006, 17:50

Oh yeah, I'll just add : Nice one Paul! They just let you through? Coz the passport said "Dog"? That's what I thought would happen if anyone ever tried it. I'm so happyit's been done! Thankyou. The messages I've read today have totally changed the way I'm thinking about the next 14 years of my life! Your not staying anywhere near North Wales are you? That would be TOO good.

Czunksolov · 17-02-2006, 17:56

Anneka can we have this assurance that CSVs dont require a licence VERIFIED or CONFIRMED somehow? It's just that our unelected representatives sometimes give conflicting answers to the same question depending on which individual you ask!

solowolf · 18-02-2006, 16:26

Hiya,
Anneka here again.

I am on one to one speaking terms with a DEFRA rep and also their importantion vet and they have told me that a Czech wolfdog is NOT considered a hybrid, so it seems as though there has been a lot of confusion going on here.

They asked me how far back the wolf original breeding went and I took them online to the wolfdog page which explains the original ancestry and breeding line of the German Shep with the native European wolf. The DEFRA rep asked me to wait one moment and discussed this with the head vet. She then came back on the phone and told me that the Czech would not need a dangerous dog liscence and I could easily import one in if I should wish to do so and they would not impose any 'wolf' liscence or regulations on me.

I am serious about getting some over and have met some of these dogs already in person. I find them extremely friendly and human loving dogs with no wariness to strangers. They were licking me all over my face.

I have just heard that male ones are a bit of a handfull when they are growing up due to being more destructive. They do not have the baby/child killing 'trigger' mechanism in their brain that true F1 and F2 american wolf hybrids have, as they have had so much german shep put back into them and bred down that they look wolf, but act more German Shep.

Perhaps we should think about addressing the breed name, as if simply putting 'wolf' in the name is causing confusion to ill-informed individuals then pehaps it should be changed to Czech Shepherd. I have met inuits far more warey than Czechs. They are highly intelligent and extremely responsive to training due to the Greman Shep content. I would feel it a shame to change the name though, as we should not be scared to defend this dog and by changing the name is kind of doing a cowardly 'cover-up' which isn't needed.

I am curious to whom some of the dog people are all talking to at DEFRA about this dog not being allowed in, as I have now spoken to over 6 of them and they were almost laughing about this down the phone. They are pretty relaxed about this.

I imported a dog from Canada last year and am very experienced with the DEFRA passport regulations. As long as the dog is happy and well socialised in the other country, then it should be a much better option than quarantine.

I think we should just start getting them over. Relax, declare them for what they are, which is not a hybrid, but a dog which has been bred from a high content of German Shep for over 40 years now. I would class a wolf hybrid as an F1 - F10. DEFRA said that after 40 years of breeding they would not even come close to being considered a wolf. They told me that after reading all about the breeding of this dog, that even a 1% would not even stop it's importation.

Love Anneka
(Let's try and help this breed as it's a stunning example of a healthy natural looking dog and I'd love to see it's quality improved. They are the best example of a wolfy dog I've seen so far. I've had enough of pekinese and ill-bred unhealthy dogs. They are fit, natural, primitive looking creatures. Lets get them over and use reputable UK breeders and stock from top EU breeders to combat any health problems within the breeding such as hip displasia from bad German Shepherd lines

)

Nebulosa · 18-02-2006, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think we should just start getting them over. Relax, declare them for what they are, which is not a hybrid, but a dog which has been bred from a high content of German Shep for over 40 years now. I would class a wolf hybrid as an F1 - F10. DEFRA said that after 40 years of breeding they would not even come close to being considered a wolf. They told me that after reading all about the breeding of this dog, that even a 1% would not even stop it's importation.

Hi!
F1 at F10, wen I see the CzW is from F3-F4(you can see this in the database of the site), 1% is problem per DEFRA in law (only paper) and probably they acepted animais whit more percentage whitout problems, but CzWs not have only 1% Wolfblood, they has normaly 19% at 30% Wolfblood, I belive that at 5% pass whitout problems, because is much little percentage (is not "much" significant), but 21% or 27% is one big diference, and is the most comom percentage in the CzWs.
this is write by DEFRAs law, look:

"The conclusion of his report was that even an animal with a wolf genetic representation of less than 1% would not be Canis familiaris, since it would still have a large number (over 100) of wolf genes present. (Bruford, 1997)."

5% at 40% is considered "low content", I belive that THIS is the problem.
Wen you arrive whit the dog, the valid is that is write in the paper (DREFRA law), not that one or other ( just veterinarians) say.

Greetings

Paula

michaelundinaeichhorn · 18-02-2006, 17:51

The wolf content is just a mathematical formula. The breed won´t come under a percentage of 30% in 200 years as long as it is kept pure bred. If you cross two individuals with 30% each the ofspring will have 30% too from the mathematical point of view. Looking from that point absolutely every dog has 100% wolfblood since thousands of years.

Ina

Rona · 18-02-2006, 21:59

Hi Anneka, I'm very much interested in the possibility of transporting a CSV to UK since somebody I know wants to go to the UK for a couple of years and the only thing that has worried him so far was the fear of not being able to take his Czech wolfdog friend with him. The dog is a few years old and registered in Poland so there wouldn't be any problem of quarrantine or registration, especially that the owner wants to spend in the UK only some time.

Still, I think he would prefer to write to DEFRA and get some kind of written statement or opinion from them, just to be on a safe side when crossing the border. I cannot send you a private message, but would you please contact me and let me know who should my friend contact in London? This info would be very valuable for him.
Regards
Rona

*myschievous* · 18-02-2006, 22:35

Anneka I really would ask for a second opinion if I were you...Paul has had all the dealings with defra and it is really odd that they would give you such different feedback...defra do see a problem with anything more than quite literally 1% wolf blood. Of course they most certainly know that the Czech Wolfdog is not a hybrid but it still does contain more than 1% content as far as they are concerned.

Czunksolov · 23-02-2006, 13:27

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Perhaps we should think about addressing the breed name, as if simply putting 'wolf' in the name is causing confusion to ill-informed individuals then pehaps it should be changed to Czech Shepherd

I'd like to say to start off with, that the breed's name is Czechoslovakian Wolfdog NOT Czech Wolfdog. I'd be pretty pissed off if i was Slovakian and people kept leaving me out of the name of my national breed. If you cant be bothered typing Czechoslovakian can you just call them CSV? And with regards to changing their name in Britain- I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is no need to translate Vlcak. It is not normal to translate the local name of a breed e.g. Hungarian Puli. What's a Puli? It could mean "child killer" or "useless breed made for looks" who knows, who cares? I believe Vlcak is pronounced Ulchack but i need to ring up someone in Czech sometime and get them to say it to me a few times. Also, there is already a breed called Czech Shepherd.

*myschievous* · 23-02-2006, 18:11

In reference to : "I'd like to say to start off with, that the breed's name is Czechoslovakian Wolfdog NOT Czech Wolfdog. I'd be pretty pissed off if i was Slovakian and people kept leaving me out of the name of my national breed. If you cant be bothered typing Czechoslovakian can you just call them CSV?"

I don't think you are entirely refering to me? but yes I am guilty of writting Czech Wolfdog...Sorry!

But then in this sentense I see you are happy to shorten Czechoslovakian to Czech...lol :wink "I believe Vlcak is pronounced Ulchack but i need to ring up someone in Czech sometime and get them to say it to me a few times. Also, there is already a breed called Czech Shepherd" :

Anyway I agree with you in your response to the earlier post regarding possibly changing the breed name for in the UK, the breed name should be kept as it is of course.

Czunksolov · 27-02-2006, 19:58

Yes I was not only referring to you but also the many different sets of initials used for the CSV some dont include an S. I would rather use the Czech Vlcak than the Slovakian Vlcaika (?) because it has less letters and is easier for me to remember how to spell it. No other reason.

Huan · 27-02-2006, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Czunksolov

I would rather use the Czech Vlcak than the Slovakian Vlcaika (?)

In Slovakian it's Vlciak

solowolf · 28-02-2006, 01:07

hi, Anneka i will go through your mail bit by bit, you say there is some confusion regarding the czechs in u.k, the only confusion is that of defra, they are confused because they are completely ignorant to this breed, and use script taken from usa website to print in government papers as a guild to keeping czech wolfdogs, i phoned defra head quarters on friday and asked to speak to someone regarding the dangerous wild animal act, do you know what they said,,, SORRY I DONT KNOW ANYONE YOU CAN TALK TO GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS AND I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU, THIS IS DEFRA,,,,,,,,,,i got letter today..

solowolf · 28-02-2006, 01:22

the breed name is the czechoslovakian wolfdog and to change its name is ridiculous and infact i find it insulting to my friends in europe, do you really think the name should be changed to suit the u.k, problem, the u.k is still living in the dark ages compaired to europe were wolfdogs are concerned, the name is good ,and will remain as it is,, paul

solowolf · 28-02-2006, 01:40

hi, i can put your curiosity at ease, i speak to defra most days, fighting for my dogs, you say they laugh at you, let me tell you a few facts as it seems you have been away for a few years, 1 there are enough czech wolfdogs in u.k, 2 the first litter of czechs were bred by me on 14 dec 2003, the mother and pups were reconised and registered by THE UK KENNEL CLUB on 30/1/2004, so the czechs were a registered bred in the u.k in early 2004,,,,,,,,,,,, and had been accepted as a breed of domesticated dog by the uk kennel club, my wife mandy and i took over 3 long years to get this far,, on the 28th april 2004 just a few mths later i recieved a letter from kennel club asking for the return of all registrations for my czechs, the letter stated, they have recieved information from DEFRA that the czechoslovakian wolfdog are classified and require a DANGEROUS WILD ANIMAL LICENSE,, so let there be no confusion on this issue, DEFRA had the czechs removed from the uk kennel club registrations,,, maybe this is what they were laughing at down your phone, so please do not confuse people on this site with loose talk, we need facts only to help us, i can send copy of the letter to anyone who wishes to see it regards paul

solowolf · 28-02-2006, 01:54

hi, you say lets just bring the dogs into uk, after reading your letter i think you need to learn a lot more about the czech wolfdogs before you even consider owning one, i know from your remarks you dont know many czechs,, its not a problem and we like to try and educate people on the breed, i have bred dogs for over 25yrs, large breds akitas ect as i say there are lots of breeds then you have the CZECHS, they are beautiful but beliefe me you must learn lots and then more,,regards paul

solowolf · 28-02-2006, 02:16

you have friends at defra, please contact me, your friends may be able to give me info or help, i have lots of support within defra but what we must do is educate people in defra, then the big one, we must try and change the law in uk regarding the breed, my argument is that defra must set a generation gap say all imports must be at least 5 generations from the wolf or f1 f2 f3 crosses, at present the local councils are left to decide weather a license is required, but they only take advise from defra and therefor all czechs need dangerous wild animal license, there is no way round it, if you keep one and they find it, make no mistake they will take your dog and pound it, it then goes to a wolf hybred rescue organisation,,,,,, i am not trying to get at you but please be very careful and think before writting in mail asking people to bring czechs into uk, remember a czech with a license is condemed to live in a cadge for life same as animal in zoo,,,,,,i have some rspca officers who support the wolfdogs as well, it will be a long haul, but defra had my czechs removed from the k.club, on 28th april 2004 i live in kent area, where do you live? it may be possible for you to visit my czechs
i am trying to set up show for april or may for czech fans but need to be very careful, i want to let people have contact with the dogs as i want to share my wolfdogs with thoose who at present can not own one, regards paul

Nebulosa · 28-02-2006, 03:50

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

The wolf content is just a mathematical formula.
Ina

Yes, I know and agree whit you, but that I say is only per DEFRA law

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Originally Posted by Pacino

the breed name is the czechoslovakian wolfdog and to change its name is ridiculous and infact

And not easy, is not one country law that go make change the name of the breed for the world ( FCI name).

But about the correct name, I find that is lost time debat about this in this forum, that have the correct name of the breed writing in the top of the page in any lenguajes ( english, polski, deutsh...) if have laziness to write complet and correct name , is more easy write only CzW or CsV that probably all go understand.
Argue on this here, does not go to modify the habits of the people to speech the name of the breed incomplet ( czech wolfdog, slovakian wolfdog etc etc) when they wants to become the colloquy fastest.

Paula

Anneka · 03-05-2006, 02:03

Thanks for all your help and advice. I now know 200% more than I did before about DEFRA etc. The woman at DEFRA I spoke to before *excuse the expression* was talking out of her bottom. I have sent you a private email. Can you urgently respond. Anneka

kobesen · 08-08-2006, 12:09

Hello everybody,

I've read the whole lot of this topic. Is there any news yet about DEFRA? Is almost 2 years now and there is still no definitive awnser.
Is there any change you can win this with taking this whole matter to a judge (trail)?
With help offcourse from breeders and clubs over all countries in Europe.
Is it so that de UK law (not DEFRA) says all dogs with more than 1% wolfblood are dangerous wild life? If thats the case, than you will lose, but if it's just DEFRAlaw, you maybe be able to win this at trail.
Idea?

greetings from Holland,

Kim Kobesen

solowolf · 08-08-2006, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by kobesen

Hello everybody,

I've read the whole lot of this topic. Is there any news yet about DEFRA? Is almost 2 years now and there is still no definitive awnser.
Is there any change you can win this with taking this whole matter to a judge (trail)?
With help offcourse from breeders and clubs over all countries in Europe.
Is it so that de UK law (not DEFRA) says all dogs with more than 1% wolfblood are dangerous wild life? If thats the case, than you will lose, but if it's just DEFRAlaw, you maybe be able to win this at trail.
Idea?

greetings from Holland,

Kim Kobesen

hi it has been almost 4 yrs now since my wife and i started fighting for the czechoslovakian wolfdogs in u.k, to ask for a law to be changed is a lot, we have asked everyone to hold tight, it may take 5 yrs or even 10 but we will get there, we have made progress and talk to the right people, we also know that people write to defra, it is very doubtful they will ever reply, we keep a low profile but work hard, we are getting invited to places to educate people on the breed, it is only through education and letting people see and handle the dogs that any headway can be made, we do not wish for a court case, can you imagine taking a goverment to court, we have no wish to do this at all, it will take time but one day it will happen, best regards paul and mandy winder

18-02-2006, 22:35	#87
myschievous Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 18	Anneka Anneka I really would ask for a second opinion if I were you...Paul has had all the dealings with defra and it is really odd that they would give you such different feedback...defra do see a problem with anything more than quite literally 1% wolf blood. Of course they most certainly know that the Czech Wolfdog is not a hybrid but it still does contain more than 1% content as far as they are concerned.

23-02-2006, 18:11	#89
myschievous Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 18	Csv ownership in UK In reference to : "I'd like to say to start off with, that the breed's name is Czechoslovakian Wolfdog NOT Czech Wolfdog. I'd be pretty pissed off if i was Slovakian and people kept leaving me out of the name of my national breed. If you cant be bothered typing Czechoslovakian can you just call them CSV?" I don't think you are entirely refering to me? but yes I am guilty of writting Czech Wolfdog...Sorry! But then in this sentense I see you are happy to shorten Czechoslovakian to Czech...lol :wink "I believe Vlcak is pronounced Ulchack but i need to ring up someone in Czech sometime and get them to say it to me a few times. Also, there is already a breed called Czech Shepherd" : Anyway I agree with you in your response to the earlier post regarding possibly changing the breed name for in the UK, the breed name should be kept as it is of course.

28-02-2006, 01:07	#92
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	to Anneka regarding defra and wolfdogs in uk hi, Anneka i will go through your mail bit by bit, you say there is some confusion regarding the czechs in u.k, the only confusion is that of defra, they are confused because they are completely ignorant to this breed, and use script taken from usa website to print in government papers as a guild to keeping czech wolfdogs, i phoned defra head quarters on friday and asked to speak to someone regarding the dangerous wild animal act, do you know what they said,,, SORRY I DONT KNOW ANYONE YOU CAN TALK TO GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS AND I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU, THIS IS DEFRA,,,,,,,,,,i got letter today..

28-02-2006, 01:22	#93
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	to Anneka the breed name is the czechoslovakian wolfdog and to change its name is ridiculous and infact i find it insulting to my friends in europe, do you really think the name should be changed to suit the u.k, problem, the u.k is still living in the dark ages compaired to europe were wolfdogs are concerned, the name is good ,and will remain as it is,, paul

28-02-2006, 01:40	#94
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	to Anneka hi, i can put your curiosity at ease, i speak to defra most days, fighting for my dogs, you say they laugh at you, let me tell you a few facts as it seems you have been away for a few years, 1 there are enough czech wolfdogs in u.k, 2 the first litter of czechs were bred by me on 14 dec 2003, the mother and pups were reconised and registered by THE UK KENNEL CLUB on 30/1/2004, so the czechs were a registered bred in the u.k in early 2004,,,,,,,,,,,, and had been accepted as a breed of domesticated dog by the uk kennel club, my wife mandy and i took over 3 long years to get this far,, on the 28th april 2004 just a few mths later i recieved a letter from kennel club asking for the return of all registrations for my czechs, the letter stated, they have recieved information from DEFRA that the czechoslovakian wolfdog are classified and require a DANGEROUS WILD ANIMAL LICENSE,, so let there be no confusion on this issue, DEFRA had the czechs removed from the uk kennel club registrations,,, maybe this is what they were laughing at down your phone, so please do not confuse people on this site with loose talk, we need facts only to help us, i can send copy of the letter to anyone who wishes to see it regards paul

17-02-2006, 17:50	#81
Czunksolov Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Prestatyn, Wales Posts: 21	Oh yeah, I'll just add : Nice one Paul! They just let you through? Coz the passport said "Dog"? That's what I thought would happen if anyone ever tried it. I'm so happyit's been done! Thankyou. The messages I've read today have totally changed the way I'm thinking about the next 14 years of my life! Your not staying anywhere near North Wales are you? That would be TOO good.

17-02-2006, 17:56	#82
Czunksolov Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Prestatyn, Wales Posts: 21	Anneka can we have this assurance that CSVs dont require a licence VERIFIED or CONFIRMED somehow? It's just that our unelected representatives sometimes give conflicting answers to the same question depending on which individual you ask!

18-02-2006, 16:26	#83
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	Hiya, Anneka here again. I am on one to one speaking terms with a DEFRA rep and also their importantion vet and they have told me that a Czech wolfdog is NOT considered a hybrid, so it seems as though there has been a lot of confusion going on here. They asked me how far back the wolf original breeding went and I took them online to the wolfdog page which explains the original ancestry and breeding line of the German Shep with the native European wolf. The DEFRA rep asked me to wait one moment and discussed this with the head vet. She then came back on the phone and told me that the Czech would not need a dangerous dog liscence and I could easily import one in if I should wish to do so and they would not impose any 'wolf' liscence or regulations on me. I am serious about getting some over and have met some of these dogs already in person. I find them extremely friendly and human loving dogs with no wariness to strangers. They were licking me all over my face. I have just heard that male ones are a bit of a handfull when they are growing up due to being more destructive. They do not have the baby/child killing 'trigger' mechanism in their brain that true F1 and F2 american wolf hybrids have, as they have had so much german shep put back into them and bred down that they look wolf, but act more German Shep. Perhaps we should think about addressing the breed name, as if simply putting 'wolf' in the name is causing confusion to ill-informed individuals then pehaps it should be changed to Czech Shepherd. I have met inuits far more warey than Czechs. They are highly intelligent and extremely responsive to training due to the Greman Shep content. I would feel it a shame to change the name though, as we should not be scared to defend this dog and by changing the name is kind of doing a cowardly 'cover-up' which isn't needed. I am curious to whom some of the dog people are all talking to at DEFRA about this dog not being allowed in, as I have now spoken to over 6 of them and they were almost laughing about this down the phone. They are pretty relaxed about this. I imported a dog from Canada last year and am very experienced with the DEFRA passport regulations. As long as the dog is happy and well socialised in the other country, then it should be a much better option than quarantine. I think we should just start getting them over. Relax, declare them for what they are, which is not a hybrid, but a dog which has been bred from a high content of German Shep for over 40 years now. I would class a wolf hybrid as an F1 - F10. DEFRA said that after 40 years of breeding they would not even come close to being considered a wolf. They told me that after reading all about the breeding of this dog, that even a 1% would not even stop it's importation. Love Anneka (Let's try and help this breed as it's a stunning example of a healthy natural looking dog and I'd love to see it's quality improved. They are the best example of a wolfy dog I've seen so far. I've had enough of pekinese and ill-bred unhealthy dogs. They are fit, natural, primitive looking creatures. Lets get them over and use reputable UK breeders and stock from top EU breeders to combat any health problems within the breeding such as hip displasia from bad German Shepherd lines )

18-02-2006, 17:51	#85
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	The wolf content is just a mathematical formula. The breed won´t come under a percentage of 30% in 200 years as long as it is kept pure bred. If you cross two individuals with 30% each the ofspring will have 30% too from the mathematical point of view. Looking from that point absolutely every dog has 100% wolfblood since thousands of years. Ina

18-02-2006, 21:59	#86
Rona Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kraków Posts: 3,509	Hi Anneka, I'm very much interested in the possibility of transporting a CSV to UK since somebody I know wants to go to the UK for a couple of years and the only thing that has worried him so far was the fear of not being able to take his Czech wolfdog friend with him. The dog is a few years old and registered in Poland so there wouldn't be any problem of quarrantine or registration, especially that the owner wants to spend in the UK only some time. Still, I think he would prefer to write to DEFRA and get some kind of written statement or opinion from them, just to be on a safe side when crossing the border. I cannot send you a private message, but would you please contact me and let me know who should my friend contact in London? This info would be very valuable for him. Regards Rona

27-02-2006, 19:58	#90
Czunksolov Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Prestatyn, Wales Posts: 21	Yes I was not only referring to you but also the many different sets of initials used for the CSV some dont include an S. I would rather use the Czech Vlcak than the Slovakian Vlcaika (?) because it has less letters and is easier for me to remember how to spell it. No other reason.

28-02-2006, 01:54	#95
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	to Anneka hi, you say lets just bring the dogs into uk, after reading your letter i think you need to learn a lot more about the czech wolfdogs before you even consider owning one, i know from your remarks you dont know many czechs,, its not a problem and we like to try and educate people on the breed, i have bred dogs for over 25yrs, large breds akitas ect as i say there are lots of breeds then you have the CZECHS, they are beautiful but beliefe me you must learn lots and then more,,regards paul

28-02-2006, 02:16	#96
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	toAnneka you have friends at defra, please contact me, your friends may be able to give me info or help, i have lots of support within defra but what we must do is educate people in defra, then the big one, we must try and change the law in uk regarding the breed, my argument is that defra must set a generation gap say all imports must be at least 5 generations from the wolf or f1 f2 f3 crosses, at present the local councils are left to decide weather a license is required, but they only take advise from defra and therefor all czechs need dangerous wild animal license, there is no way round it, if you keep one and they find it, make no mistake they will take your dog and pound it, it then goes to a wolf hybred rescue organisation,,,,,, i am not trying to get at you but please be very careful and think before writting in mail asking people to bring czechs into uk, remember a czech with a license is condemed to live in a cadge for life same as animal in zoo,,,,,,i have some rspca officers who support the wolfdogs as well, it will be a long haul, but defra had my czechs removed from the k.club, on 28th april 2004 i live in kent area, where do you live? it may be possible for you to visit my czechs i am trying to set up show for april or may for czech fans but need to be very careful, i want to let people have contact with the dogs as i want to share my wolfdogs with thoose who at present can not own one, regards paul

03-05-2006, 02:03	#98
Anneka Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2	For Paul of Pacino Thanks for all your help and advice. I now know 200% more than I did before about DEFRA etc. The woman at DEFRA I spoke to before excuse the expression was talking out of her bottom. I have sent you a private email. Can you urgently respond. Anneka

08-08-2006, 12:09	#99
kobesen Erfelijk aangeboren Bitch Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Arnhem Posts: 1,272	Hello everybody, I've read the whole lot of this topic. Is there any news yet about DEFRA? Is almost 2 years now and there is still no definitive awnser. Is there any change you can win this with taking this whole matter to a judge (trail)? With help offcourse from breeders and clubs over all countries in Europe. Is it so that de UK law (not DEFRA) says all dogs with more than 1% wolfblood are dangerous wild life? If thats the case, than you will lose, but if it's just DEFRAlaw, you maybe be able to win this at trail. Idea? greetings from Holland, Kim Kobesen __________________ Het product van je eigen denken, is je omgeving! (citaat Maurice Oosterhof zie www.spoorzoeken.net) 'Spoorzoeken, leven is mensenwerk' COACHBOEK VAN HET JAAR 2012!!!!!!!