Costs of breeding

[farena]

I don´t have any idea where you can buy semen, but I agree with you. Why can´t you buy semen??? I´ll tell you: Because you won´t buy a dog belonging to a breeder. And as my opinion is that this is a very big business for people who grow up this kind of dogs, people won´t agree with you.

Somebody told me that 1000 euros is not enough... let´s see, if one dog have a litter for ten dogs... its 1000 euros per dog, then it´s 10000. It´s a lot of money.

It´s better for that people that you waste your money with them. That is my opinion.

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by farena

I don´t have any idea where you can buy semen, but I agree with you. Why can´t you buy semen??? I´ll tell you: Because you won´t buy a dog belonging to a breeder. And as my opinion is that this is a very big business for people who grow up this kind of dogs, people won´t agree with you.

Somebody told me that 1000 euros is not enough... let´s see, if one dog have a litter for ten dogs... its 1000 euros per dog, then it´s 10000. It´s a lot of money.

It´s better for that people that you waste your money with them. That is my opinion.

Is pretty easy when forgething all costs that a breeding dog and litter gave, that's why some people start breeding seing money and give up soon, or continues breeding without take any care for the selection.
The price of the dog will variate according to the costs that the breeder had, and this normally isn't enough to take back all money waste, sometimes isn't enough to continue the breeding for the next year.
Is simply sad a breeder listen that "your litter was made of gold?" or "it's too much money for a dog" when this breder had travel far away for mate the female for bring new blood, when this breeder do some health tests for make this mate, when the breeders put some money in dogshows and working titles traveling and paying all costs that it gives, that all without remember the costs that a litter do for turn official, microchip, vaccination, deworming, pedigree, confirmation, special food for puppies, special feed for pregnant female... and more and more.
You cannot mistake a good serious breeder with breeders that only breeding for money, a serious breeder rarelly get the costs that he had for made the litter back.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by farena

I don´t have any idea where you can buy semen, but I agree with you. Why can´t you buy semen??? I´ll tell you: Because you won´t buy a dog belonging to a breeder. And as my opinion is that this is a very big business for people who grow up this kind of dogs, people won´t agree with you.

You don´t seem to know much about AI or breeding.
1. you don´t buy a dog to get his seemen either but you pay for the seemen like you pay for the stud dog. So where´s the difference.
2. Not every seemen is able to get deep frosted, in dogs it is usual to use fresh seemen in dogs that don´t manage to mate in normal ways, something very questionable.
3. All of us here breed Czechoslowakian Wolfdogs no Hybrids and that out of good reasons. Why should anybody here support the breeding of a American Wolfdog.
4. Wolves don´t produce fertile seemen out of breeding season, June is no breeding season.

Originally Posted by farena

Somebody told me that 1000 euros is not enough... let´s see, if one dog have a litter for ten dogs... its 1000 euros per dog, then it´s 10000. It´s a lot of money.

It´s better for that people that you waste your money with them. That is my opinion.

It is people like you that are supporting puppymills trying to save some Euros.
Nebulosa is absolutely right. If you do it properly you raise the bitch yourself, what means you only pay into it for 2-3 years, you spend a lot of time and traveling for finding a good one, you do several exhibitions, bonitations, endurance runs and health tests. Then you spend a lot of time and traveling to find a good stud dog, you take the risk of the bitch not getting pregnant. You spend an extremly high amount of time for several month on puppies, visitors and socialisation. You have to pay for stud fees, good puppy food, several dewormings and vaccination and microchips, the pedigrees, the official controle of the kennel and the puppies. If your kennel isn´t well known now it is very likely you have to keep some puppies for quite a long time as long as you aren´t so irresponsible to give them cheaper to anybody no matter how good the place is. To build up a good reputation you have to spend a lot of time and money and traveling.
If somebody complaines about our prices that is the end of the conversation about buying a puppy, I value my puppies much too high to sell them at any price to somebody who doesn´t value their real worth.

Ina

[*Satu]

"It is people like you that are supporting puppymills trying to save some Euros.
Nebulosa is absolutely right. If you do it properly you raise the bitch yourself, what means you only pay into it for 2-3 years, you spend a lot of time and traveling for finding a good one, you do several exhibitions, bonitations, endurance runs and health tests. Then you spend a lot of time and traveling to find a good stud dog, you take the risk of the bitch not getting pregnant. You spend an extremly high amount of time for several month on puppies, visitors and socialisation. You have to pay for stud fees, good puppy food, several dewormings and vaccination and microchips, the pedigrees, the official controle of the kennel and the puppies. If your kennel isn´t well known now it is very likely you have to keep some puppies for quite a long time as long as you aren´t so irresponsible to give them cheaper to anybody no matter how good the place is. To build up a good reputation you have to spend a lot of time and money and traveling.
If somebody complaines about our prices that is the end of the conversation about buying a puppy, I value my puppies much too high to sell them at any price to somebody who doesn´t value their real worth.

Ina"


I agree also those words.

Satu

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by farena

I don´t have any idea where you can buy semen, but I agree with you. Why can´t you buy semen??? I´ll tell you: Because you won´t buy a dog belonging to a breeder. And as my opinion is that this is a very big business for people who grow up this kind of dogs, people won´t agree with you.

Somebody told me that 1000 euros is not enough... let´s see, if one dog have a litter for ten dogs... its 1000 euros per dog, then it´s 10000. It´s a lot of money.

It´s better for that people that you waste your money with them. That is my opinion.

Yes the cost of breeding is high and therefore the puppy prices is high to.

But I think that you are wonder way it is higher than on udder big dog breeds like German Shepherd for example?

At first Cz Wolfdogs are more demanding and take more space and time than udder dog breeds, Most of the breeders also have to import there puppy’s which is expensive to.

If you are a serious breeder you also wont that a CsV judge gives it good result and not just a judge that newer saw one, which means that most breeders have to go abroad.

The high prices also make people to think twice before thy decide to buy one and help keep unserious buyers away. Which is very important sense the CsV is not an easy breed.

And if a CsV do something bad the press blames the breed instead of the owners, which is the opposite from udder dog breeds. The CsV are already banned in some countries and we can not afford something like that.

In the US where the price on American Wolfdogs are very low more than 60% of the puppy’s are sent back to it’s breeder or to a Wolfdog rescue centre, but the rescue centre are over filled and thy have to putt menu wolfdogs to sleep.

And Ferena do you relay think that all CsV females get 10 puppy’s ? some time thy only get 4 or 5 but the work the breeder has put down for 3-5 years before the first litter is born are still the same.

Very Best Regards / Mikeal