wolfdogs in "the land down under"

[ligerwolve]

I live in Canberra in Australia. Im happy to talk with other people interested in importing to Australia. So we dont all import bitches Then get stuck. No there arent really any wolf dogs here. But there are Timber Shepherds, which are only said to be 10% wolf. They look like King Shepherds to me. They are really hard to track down though. There of course is Czech Shepherds but the RAAF has most of those and the breeders only sell to them. I have one but only because a friend rescued her from being destroyed. As far as they know she is dead. I am looking for a GSD to mate her with but if I am unsuccessful then I will just have to import. My dog is comming up to 5 years old so its risky as it is. But as I said last time I have been given another puppy. A beautiful GSD girl. So I am happy.

[slarman]

Ligerwolf,
I've never heard of a Timber Shepherd or a Czech Shepherd and as far as I know GSD's still have 8% wolf cos of the intense inbreeding done by von Stephanitz the breeds founder.Anyway,I too would hate seeing only females or males imported,however,if only females came here,it actually wouldn't be so silly as we can import semen from a variety of males,without having to feed or house them!To import semen is half the expense,though Artificial Insemination is a relatively costly method and is only 60% successful,from what I hear.Also I have a very dominant male American Bulldog and a small backyard,though I live next to a huge off lead park,so it's a bit tricky at the moment.
Getting back to the CSW's,you know if everybody interesed in importing got semen from various unrelated males a sperm bank could be established,ensuring a great genetic diversity,just thinking.
Simon

[ligerwolve]

Ok a Timber Shepherd is like a really big smart hairy GSD. And i mean BIG. But there outward appearance is just very much GSD. The Czech Shepherd (what I have) is like.... um.. Take a CWD give it shorter legs a much wider chest. its ears are probably bigger than a CWD but smaller than a GSD. It has hackles like a wolf and a inbetween muzzle. Big feet The colour is generally more like a GSD as there is no silver and white only. They tend also to be darker than GSD, they are usually mostly black with a few GSD like markings in silver, tan and white. There is also a blackish sable or most commonly all black. The big difference is the intellegence. I know most people say that about there dogs but trust me wolfdogs add a whole new meaning to the word.
I personally would prefer to have a male here, but I know what you mean. I rent at the moment and have a really big lap dog(my Czech Shepherd) and now a 7 week old GSD. Not to mention the leader of the pack my cat. But I grew up with worse. We used to take in unwanted and abused animals. At one time (and this is in a small suburban back yard) we had 6 dogs, 16 cats, rabbits, guiniepigs, mice, rats, chickens, ducks, budgies, a magpie, a carawong, lizards, and one stick insect and thats all that I can remember off the top of my head. We never went on holidays. I really believe that we should all keep in contact because as a group we can achieve a lot more than as individuals. I am glad I have this GSD pup as I am know talking to all the groups that we will have to deal with when we want it to be a registered breed. P.S I am looking at maybe purchasing a property soon

[slarman]

Ligerwolf,
Thanks for the info on Timbers and Czech Shep's! I did look them up on the web and found some info on the Czech's,to me they are just big,darker GSD,but thats my opinion.
Definitely we should stay in touch and I've put my E-mail on this forum,you,and anyone else are welcome to use it,I've nothing to hide.I guess I swing the other way as far as importing.I've grown up with mostly female dogs and therefore feel more comfortable with them.At the moment I do have a male Am.Bulldog and he's a handful and this has been my experience with male dogs,I love him but it must be that male/male rivalry-but I win all the time!!
I remember in the other forum you said you and your fiance were going os,is that still happening?
Keep me posted,Simon
P.S.Hope all goes well with the property

[ligerwolve]

Yes we are still hoping to go over seas in the next 3-4 years I think. My partner and I are also both artists so there are heaps of places I would like to visit. Yeah Czech Shepherds are definately more shepherd in looks than say CWD. But be careful searching the net because there are Czech Shepherds and Czech German Shepherds and they both are called the same thing. really confusing If you look at the history of CWD's there's a pic of one of the early stock with shepherd markings that I personally think looks a lot like my dog. When you see her in person no one thinks she is a GSD more like a cross. She is my pride and joy I hope we get some wolfdogs here because Im not sure if I will be able to find a dog to breed her with and Im not sure it will be the same with any other breed. But on a lighter note I am busy spoiling my new puppy rotten with every toy and accessory on the market. It seems unlikely I will be able to have kids so, so far the poor cat has had my attention. I think he is the only cat to have his own toy box! Everyone thinks Im crazy spoiling my cat and dog so much but they both know a tone of tricks and they keep me company.

[thalia_wolf_spirit]

Slarman, ur in VIC??? Im also in VIC, in Melbourne...whereabouts are u located?

[slarman]

I'm in Melbourne Thalia.My E-mail is [email protected] drop me a line! Simon

[thalia_wolf_spirit]

i have emailed u Slarsman

[Jessie_the_kid]

Hi all

I'm Jessie and found this site threw my fiancee she is also a member here.

I love the idea of a wolf dog, I love all animals dogs(and dog likes) being my second favorite type he he he.

Seen some pictures of wolf dogs the look like amazing creatures would love to own one but would be very tricky seeing I'm in Australia.

Anyways im sure it will be fun talking about these great animals with you all.

Jessie

[thalia_wolf_spirit]

In case you are all wondering the fiancee my fiancee is talking about is me lol

Yes, we are both very much animals lovers and are evry interested in these creatures...would love to get in contact with someone in Australia who planns on importing and breeding pups in the near future, if anyone is, please reply to this post or pm me.

[Jessie_the_kid]

Crap your not the fiancee I was talking about i guess both my fiancee's are members of this site lol

But as Thalia said if anybody plans on importing these animals to aust we would love to know

[ligerwolve]

I'm sure whoever imports these dogs will let you know as soon as they do. Just like I will let you know if breeding my dog is succesful

[wolfdog_lover]

koosletydeGraaf, I live in western australia, near the snow.

Do you know of anyone who breeds them here?
I have heard that they have a bad temper around children.
I was wondering if you breed them with a dog that has low temperment and one of the pups that were in the litter comes less temperment.

[ligerwolve]

Unfortunately there are no breeders here yet, but there has been a lot of talk of importing Any dog that is properly socialised should be fine with children including this breed. Even wolves have been known to take pitty on children. I have a wolfdog and she is great with kids. Sometimes she takes it to far like pulling the kid out of a tree (she doesnt allow them up high) or if a kid is splashing around in the water she will attemp to "dig" them out then drag them to safety So I wouldnt leave them alone with kids. If you are interested in this breed keep an eye on this sight because Im sure one of us will one day. P.S Im from Canberra how you going?

[wolfdog_lover]

Thanyou, I am doing fine, are you thinking of breeding your wolfdog?
How much percentage of wolf does he/she have?
Can you tell me more about them?

[ligerwolve]

She is about 40% wolf and I am waiting for her next heat to try for a mating with GSD. Because she is a little older than what I would like I will only make the one attemt. There is a description of her further up, she is a Czech Shepherd, you can also search for them on the internet but be careful you dont look at Czech GSD lines. They all are called the same thing so its really confusing. So there you go Feel free to ask any questions Im happy to answer them.

[ligerwolve]

hey guys I was just searching the net and stumbled across this forum (australian) bagging out wolfdog breeds. I know one of you guys tried to help out and just thought you might like to add this. Some wolfdog breeds are considered some of the worlds best working dogs EVER! They are used in a range of activities such as Armed forces, Police, blind seeing eye dogs, therapy dogs and the list goes on. yes wolf hybrids can be dangerous because you dont know which genes they have inherited the same as any dog cross. Lets also adress the fact that they are worried about GSD and CWD getting mixed up. THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE! My Czech Shepherd is more like a GSD and very few people confuse them. I hope you will all join me in letting these small minded people learn a little more about these breeds. P.S I am trying to find the breeder of Timber Shepherds here in Australia (breed not hybrid) and I will let you guys know how I go. I will warn you though that they are pretty picky not to mention that my dog cost about $3000.00 with papers.

[slarman]

Hey Ligerwolf,Who's been 'bagging out'(?) wolfdogs????Sure anyone wanting one should know the negs and pos of any breed.No breed is perfect and I don't think this breed is for people who are attracted to the name wolfdog,thats why the pitbull is in so much trouble.I think people should educate themselves first and breeders should be open about the negatives of a breed,that way you can discourage the idiots from ruining it for the rest of us.
Simon

[ligerwolve]

Dogs online. I did a google search for "wolfdogs"+"Australia" to see what was new and came across several forums discussing importing the CWD here. Most assumed they where hybrids, but pretty much all of them were negative. This really concerns me as it could effect the dogs we import. I think we need to educate people now before it is to late. Also I believe the person starting these discussions is one of the Australian members. So I urge them to please learn a little more about wolfdog breeds and the pro's and con's of the breed before speaking publicly because people can be very VERY sensitive about the idea of a wolfdog. I also ask them to discus it here as Im sure we would all love to help them in their search.

[slarman]

Thanks for the info. ligerwolf,I'll be sure to look it up and suss it out.Anyway to my way of thinking if this person isn't impressed with the CSW,then it's one less idiot buying them.To be honest,the only people we have to watch are the extremist RSPCA types who want to ban breeds like the GSD,Rottweiler,Mastiff breeds-Hugh Wirth RSPCA President has stated publicly they don't believe the breeds traditionally used for guardian work have a place in modern society anymore and should be discouraged-the pitbull is the first to suffer it will be interesting to see whats next!!! The best way to combat this is to be careful who you sell pups to,and build a strong club.
Simon