Standard - the average weight

Per Olav · 21-07-2004, 21:13

I have run into a feeding problem

3 months ago I changed feeding my male csv from dry to raw food. The producer says the normal amount of raw food pro day is approx 1 per cent of the dogs body weight. This seems far too much for my dog.

Question : The height of the dog is approx 76 cm. What should the average weight be?
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Per Olav

z Peronówki · 21-07-2004, 21:54

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Originally Posted by perolav

76 cm.

Is it his height at withers??

Huan · 21-07-2004, 22:06

It always depends on the quality and energy value of the food. As an example I watched on some dry food products (I assume by raw food it looks similar) and there are huge differences:

An example:
very cheap market dry food - 800g daily for 40kg dog
cheap but not the cheapest - 500-600g daily
expensive quality dry food - 300-350g for the same dog

As you see there is really HUGE differences between food A and food B. It's enough to give the dog 300g of some dry food but then there are products where you have to triple the daily dose... With the raw food it is the same but I heard that a 40kg dog with normal activity would need about 1000-1200kcal of energy in his daily food. Of course dogs with high activity can eat even 2 or 3 times more if they really work hard (or they live in cold place).

z Peronówki · 21-07-2004, 22:12

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Originally Posted by perolav

What should the average weight be?

Of a male Wolfdog? About 40-46kg. Our Bolton is about 50kg but he is really heavy...

Wolfsirius · 21-07-2004, 22:12

Hello, Per-Olav! *when you send pictures to me???

About feeding. feeding dry food. depence lot of which food (quality) but if Cziky can run lot free, then i can say, about from 7-10 deciliters/day is good. (and no more any other food!!!) My dogs eat about that daily, depence on food quality, and how they can run free, or swim. How much you feed your dog? I don't know much about raw food, and i always feed my dogs "how they feel/look like" so every day can be a little bit different amount of food.

Weight of dog is not basic, but how it looks like, and feels like.
Does his bones from side appear as he is moving, can it feel easily?

My Ink weight is about 40-45kg;s, and he is 68 cm high, about.
but it always depence on dog's bodybuilt too.

-Hugs; Suski

Per Olav · 21-07-2004, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Margo

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Originally Posted by perolav

76 cm.

Is it his height at withers??

Yes, roughly meassured - might be one cm +/-
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Per Olav

Per Olav · 21-07-2004, 23:59

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Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Hello, Per-Olav! *when you send pictures to me???

Patience my love

You,ll have some soon.

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Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Weight of dog is not basic, but how it looks like, and feels like.
Does his bones from side appear as he is moving, can it feel easily?

Nope, I do easily feel his ribs, - but to me he seems to be some over weight

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Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

My Ink weight is about 40-45kg;s, and he is 68 cm high, about.
but it always depence on dog's bodybuilt too.

Well, he was pretty slimmer three or four months ago, so we are allready started to decrease the meals and do a lot more exercises, I'm biking and he is trotting aside. Usually 50 km a week.
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Per Olav

Per Olav · 22-07-2004, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Margo

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Originally Posted by perolav

What should the average weight be?

Of a male Wolfdog? About 40-46kg. Our Bolton is about 50kg but he is really heavy...

OK Margo. My one is about 55+. Earlier he was about 50. So even 76 cm tall /55 Kg + he is, in my opinion, far to heavy.
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Per Olav

Huan · 22-07-2004, 00:07

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Originally Posted by perolav

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Originally Posted by Margo

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Originally Posted by perolav

76 cm.

Is it his height at withers??

Yes, roughly meassured - might be one cm +/-

It is very roughly measured or your dog is the biggest CzW ever born (according to our database the highest was 74).

Per Olav · 22-07-2004, 00:22

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Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Hello, Per-Olav!

.How much you feed your dog?

Raw food: Daily 1% of total weighet of 50 kg = 0.5 kg.
Now we drastically have reduced the amount of raw food and added som dry.. Now he get apprrox 3/4 of a full rasion/day
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Per Olav

Huan · 22-07-2004, 00:25

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Originally Posted by perolav

OK Margo. My one is about 55+. Earlier he was about 50. So even 76 cm tall /55 Kg + he is, in my opinion, far to heavy.

Even if he's 76 then I would say 55kg is too much. Our Bolton is 50kg and 72-73cm and I would say he also needs a diet.

Per Olav · 22-07-2004, 00:30

As an addendum :

Our dogs are not allowed to run free between April 1st and August 15th due to the preservation of the wild animals and birds. Our possibilities to train the dogs by letting them run free is therefore strongly minimized.

Another problem is the keeping of livestock as sheep and cows etc....
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Per Olav

Wolfsirius · 22-07-2004, 07:13

Our dogs are not allowed to run free between April 1st and August 15th due to the preservation of the wild animals and birds.

And our dogs are not allowed to run free at all. (Finnish Law) But.. we live middle of nothing, so nobody knows what we do here...

-Suski

Per Olav · 22-07-2004, 08:28

Btw the raw food is especially made by request of the Sledge Dogs Association, containing 25% fat, 25% meat, 25% water and 25% cow belly (hope belly is the right word)) and added vitamins, minerals etc.

Huan · 22-07-2004, 09:43

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Originally Posted by perolav

Btw the raw food is especially made by request of the Sledge Dogs Association, containing 25% fat, 25% meat, 25% water and 25% cow belly (hope belly is the right word)) and added vitamins, minerals etc.

If it's for sledge dogs then it can explain a lot. It may be a caloric bomb for normal dog. According to Royal Canin research centre a sledge dog needs during a sledge season from 2 (normal distances) up to 6 (!!! for Iditarod runs) times more food than normal dog.

For example a dry food that we give to our dogs (and its especially for large breeds) contains only 13% fat and a daily dosis for 40kg is only 300gr.

Per Olav · 22-07-2004, 10:05

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Originally Posted by Przemek

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Originally Posted by perolav

OK Margo. My one is about 55+. Earlier he was about 50. So even 76 cm tall /55 Kg + he is, in my opinion, far to heavy.

Even if he's 76 then I would say 55kg is too much. Our Bolton is 50kg and 72-73cm and I would say he also needs a diet.

Agree. I therefore started approx one month ago to reduce the meals.
Now he is getting approx 50 gr raw food (just for the taste) mixed with half the normal ration/day of dry food. I addition we slice some vegetables like carrots, potatos etc just for the volume.

As a start we also increased our weekly biking by 1/3, now we are "touring" some 50 - 60 km/week.
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Per Olav

Koos · 22-07-2004, 20:51

Hello,

Only one question. Why did you change the food????

Letty

Per Olav · 22-07-2004, 21:29

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Originally Posted by KoosLetydeGraaff

Hello,

Only one question. Why did you change the food????

Letty

The reason is an ongoing discussion about BARF ( bone and raw food) on some other groups in which I participate. I just wanted to test if raw food improved the general health conditions, coating etc. So far I have reached no conclusions except for the coating which, in my opinion. has improved.

The raw food which I am using is not "real" BARF, because its lack of bones and vegetables. The latter has to be added separately. Another matter of concern is its high content of fat.
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Per Olav

Koos · 22-07-2004, 23:28

Hello Per,

Ok, that can be a raeson, but I have done some studies about dogfeeding and in te regular food of the wellknown marks is everything in it what a dog use. Of course there are some differency's. For sofadog, for small dogs, for working dogs, for sledge dogs and so onm and so on,.
the only thing you have to find out what is the best mark for YOUR dog. Every dog is different like also a human is different. One can eat cumcumber and paprika's and the other eats it 3 days later again.
The problem of the other food is, that you have to add some vitamines and minerals, and that you cannot measured of 0,0001mg. In the mark foods is all included.
Therefor I prefer mark food and of course I feed sometimes some meat too, but that is a surprise for the dogs..

At least this is the last answer for 3 weeks, because we viset the summercamps in Czech Rep. and Slowakia,

Greetings,

letty

Per Olav · 23-07-2004, 00:24

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Originally Posted by KoosLetydeGraaff

[--] The problem of the other food is, that you have to add some vitamines and minerals, and that you cannot measured of 0,0001mg. In the mark foods is all included. Therefor I prefer mark food and of course I feed sometimes some meat too, but that is a surprise for the dogs..

Hi Letty.

This particular food is "composed" by a veterinarian professor at the Norwegian Veterinarian High School upon request of the Norwegian Sledge Dogs Asc. It is produced by a firm with the only purpose of delivering quality raw food for sledge dogs. It contains all the necessary vitamins, minerals etc. I'll be glad to send you a complete list of the content if you like. Just send a notice by the PM.

Regards

Per Olav

PS. Wish you a plesant holliday. Hopefully we'll have the oportunity of visiting the origin of the CSV by next year.

21-07-2004, 21:13	#1
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	Standard - the average weight I have run into a feeding problem 3 months ago I changed feeding my male csv from dry to raw food. The producer says the normal amount of raw food pro day is approx 1 per cent of the dogs body weight. This seems far too much for my dog. Question : The height of the dog is approx 76 cm. What should the average weight be? -- Per Olav

22-07-2004, 08:28	#14
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	Re: Standard Btw the raw food is especially made by request of the Sledge Dogs Association, containing 25% fat, 25% meat, 25% water and 25% cow belly (hope belly is the right word)) and added vitamins, minerals etc.

21-07-2004, 22:06	#3
Huan Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 912	It always depends on the quality and energy value of the food. As an example I watched on some dry food products (I assume by raw food it looks similar) and there are huge differences: An example: very cheap market dry food - 800g daily for 40kg dog cheap but not the cheapest - 500-600g daily expensive quality dry food - 300-350g for the same dog As you see there is really HUGE differences between food A and food B. It's enough to give the dog 300g of some dry food but then there are products where you have to triple the daily dose... With the raw food it is the same but I heard that a 40kg dog with normal activity would need about 1000-1200kcal of energy in his daily food. Of course dogs with high activity can eat even 2 or 3 times more if they really work hard (or they live in cold place).

21-07-2004, 22:12	#5
Wolfsirius Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 118	Hello, Per-Olav! *when you send pictures to me??? About feeding. feeding dry food. depence lot of which food (quality) but if Cziky can run lot free, then i can say, about from 7-10 deciliters/day is good. (and no more any other food!!!) My dogs eat about that daily, depence on food quality, and how they can run free, or swim. How much you feed your dog? I don't know much about raw food, and i always feed my dogs "how they feel/look like" so every day can be a little bit different amount of food. Weight of dog is not basic, but how it looks like, and feels like. Does his bones from side appear as he is moving, can it feel easily? My Ink weight is about 40-45kg;s, and he is 68 cm high, about. but it always depence on dog's bodybuilt too. -Hugs; Suski

22-07-2004, 00:30	#12
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	As an addendum : Our dogs are not allowed to run free between April 1st and August 15th due to the preservation of the wild animals and birds. Our possibilities to train the dogs by letting them run free is therefore strongly minimized. Another problem is the keeping of livestock as sheep and cows etc.... -- Per Olav

22-07-2004, 07:13	#13
Wolfsirius Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 118	Our dogs are not allowed to run free between April 1st and August 15th due to the preservation of the wild animals and birds. And our dogs are not allowed to run free at all. (Finnish Law) But.. we live middle of nothing, so nobody knows what we do here... -Suski

22-07-2004, 20:51	#17
Koos Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 731	Hello, Only one question. Why did you change the food???? Letty

22-07-2004, 23:28	#19
Koos Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 731	Hello Per, Ok, that can be a raeson, but I have done some studies about dogfeeding and in te regular food of the wellknown marks is everything in it what a dog use. Of course there are some differency's. For sofadog, for small dogs, for working dogs, for sledge dogs and so onm and so on,. the only thing you have to find out what is the best mark for YOUR dog. Every dog is different like also a human is different. One can eat cumcumber and paprika's and the other eats it 3 days later again. The problem of the other food is, that you have to add some vitamines and minerals, and that you cannot measured of 0,0001mg. In the mark foods is all included. Therefor I prefer mark food and of course I feed sometimes some meat too, but that is a surprise for the dogs.. At least this is the last answer for 3 weeks, because we viset the summercamps in Czech Rep. and Slowakia, Greetings, letty