World Dog Show 2011

[GalomyOak]

Is there any news? Or anywhere to find the results? Very curious!

[yukidomari]

It's streaming live on the WDS official page, and you can find some limited results on their FB page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=297963419584

[GalomyOak]

Yes, but I have country internet and can't watch videos...and I really only care about the results for one breed.

[yukidomari]

http://www.cedia.fr/Leng/Lexpodet.asp?ID=909

I think here, where the little new sign is spinning?

[*Satu]

Aa. You will waite info who is next matador breeding male?

[wolfin]

I siting in home but my dogs are in WW in main web site represents CSV breeds and in ring mas runn my Kajika

I know today and tomorow be CSV- I think today we have leter first results when CEDIA put results in this same day ( or almost this same day)

http://www.cedia.fr/default.asp

strange link - later go to show in 7-9 july and in this Résultats en cours de saisie sur le site de l'exposition

[hanninadina]

@Uli, I will tell you another concrete example why every dog show is werth no matter if special judge or not. During the mid 2000 I did some shows with my Myla and I often were in the same ring with the grandmother of your dog from mothers side. And two times I noticed that she did not want that the judge looked in her teeth - and she tried to bite him! Of course she was disqualified. So no matter if special judge or not everybody could see about her behaviour that she was unsecure and not self confident - but of course marvellous wolfy looking. And as I wrote already a good csw has a strong character - and he/she would not react like this. And it was not only a matter of wrong education but a bit from genetic point of view too, because her brother must put down to sleep with not 5 years old because he was heavily attacking people (even his breeder and friend of the former owner).Jenny of course dog shows are only beauty shows and has not a lot to do with health. There are some breeds where they look a lot for health during bonitation.A good dog will be in front of classement in dog show with special judge as well as with a normal judge. And sorry even special judges make a lot of faults - that is good because they are not gods. Please look at the winner of open class males 2009 in World Dog Show, it was a csw x awd. And not only this judged did not get it but other special judges who judged him during other specialities did not get it. I talked to them and they told me, so long the dog fits in the standard, I could not do anything.In the end everybody of us has a different sight what is nice and not. It must fit in the standard and then there will be small differences.@Saschia, of course most csw who will take part at a big dog show in a hall will not have any problems. If the owner is cool they will do like their owners. So from my point of view it is nothing special to go with dogs to a show. I often went only as a guest with my dogs. Jenni, dog shows are a good possibility to meet same breed dog lovers. Especially when you are a newby in the breed. Later when you know the people, breeders and dogs, one can go and meet them on different locations. But Dogshows are one part of recognized breeds! And of course an important part. Otherwise I do not know why people would like to have a pure breed dog? There are of course people who do not care for pure breed and these are a lot more. Look in germany we have about 750.000 purebreed members of vdh (FCI) but more than 6-7 Millions without. So it is a small world of pure breed dogs in the whole dog world.Christian

[Jennin Lauma]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Jenni, dog shows are a good possibility to meet same breed dog lovers. Especially when you are a newby in the breed. Later when you know the people, breeders and dogs, one can go and meet them on different locations.
And of course an important part. Otherwise I do not know why people would like to have a pure breed dog?

Yes, shows are one place to meet lots of dogs, breeders and other owners. And I have said that this is one of the good sides in shows. But I also said that if there were no shows at all or they would be different from what they are now, I'm sure that there would still be many ways to meet other people & their dogs. And most importantly, I think different kind of shows could serve the audience even better.

Originally Posted by hanninadina

But Dogshows are one part of recognized breeds!

Well, practically this is true. Dog shows are and have been for a long time a big part (if not the base) of Kennel Clubs and breeding recognized breeds. But my point is that the shows themselves are not important (but for entertainment maybe). What matters is the typical looks according to the breed standard. And for evaluating pure bred dog against the standard we do not need beauty competitions like most shows are at the moment.

I think it would serve the breeding of pure bred dogs better if we'de have different kind of 'breed type evaluation events' (shows). -Only breed specific, no allrounder judges, and no breeds competing against each other in group rings & BIS rings etc.
As an example of some most important changes:
I'd prefer to have several breed specialist judges who would evaluate/asses the dog together as a team, and they would write explicit assessments which would also be published for everyone to read. And only a certain maximum number of dogs per day for this judge group to evaluate, so that there would be more time to spend with assessing each dog.
And more movement required! 1-2 rounds in a small ring while the dog is pulling in its leash in panic or out of over excitement should not be the base of evaluating the dog's movements.
To dogs who have several excellent evaluations could be given a special title but there would be even higher title for dogs who also have more results than those from the breed type evaluations / (shows); such as good health and temperament test results.

I think there are lots of things wrong in todays dog breeding, and the dog showing system of the moment is just one of them.
As it comes to 'pure bred dogs' I actually think that there is also lots of things wrong in how the concept of "purity of breeds/races/species" is generally understood. But that's another subject.

[Jennin Lauma]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

And sorry even special judges make a lot of faults - that is good because they are not gods. Please look at the winner of open class males 2009 in World Dog Show, it was a csw x awd. And not only this judged did not get it but other special judges who judged him during other specialities did not get it.

But the judges at the moment are not trained to recognize different kinds of mixes so it is no wonder that if they haven't personally been around such mixes to develope a keen eye on recognizing them, it's not possible for them to see the difference.
I think that the parental DNA testing should be required before registration in every counrty/Kennel Club around the world and for every breed. This should be the first step as it is the most effective way to prevent mixes/mutts with falcifyed pedigrees.
But I think it could/would also help if the training of judges would be different from what it is at the moment.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Jennin Lauma

I think that the parental DNA testing should be required before registration in every counrty/Kennel Club around the world and for every breed. This should be the first step as it is the most effective way to prevent mixes/mutts with falcifyed pedigrees.

Yes, I agree

Do you think that you can contakt the Finish Kennel Club and ask them to start whit this on Saarloos and Vlcak´s ??? As Sweden has already started, the FKK and the SKK can work toghether on this and share the results

So if I use a Finish male and he is used before in Finland, the FKK already has he´s DNA tests and they can share it whit SKK And the other way around

We can PM more about this on e-mail or FB...

Best regards / Mikael

[martiou07]

Hello,

yesterday i'm in dog show in my country...

there was this dog :



I see she in world dog show and yesterday.

I see Sangria passo del lupo in 2008 ... mutara ...

for me, D'Eiden is very similar type Mutara.

I don't know what is the crosses, but not real CSW...

For the France, some breeder are very good person and breeder, there is problem in my country yes, same other country ...

do not think either only everyone into insane, the problems worry some people. Warning statements, I am ok, but PLEASE , not accused all breeders, we have serious people here who concerns for future of the breed

For France, soon there should be change .....