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05-06-2008, 14:01 | #1 |
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From 01/01/2009 DNA profiles in Belgium
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From 01/01/2009 the DNA profile by code "ISAG 2006" must be know by St Hubertus FCI Belgium. From each litter, one puppy will be tested on the DNA profile. If negatif result, none of all puppies will have pedigree FCI. Every studdog from other country must also have an official DNA profile with same code "isag 2006". This can give problems for the breed in Belgium because we still need "new" bloodlines and we don't know if in other (and origine) countries studdogs are available with this DNA profile. Please tell more about the situation in each country of yours. And is it possible to add the DNA profile into the database of "wolfdog.org"? Patrick |
11-10-2008, 11:25 | #2 | |
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Sorry fore the late answer In Sweden from 01-01-2008 DNA tests are required to get your CsW pedigrees. This is done one every litter to make sure no wolf blood is added. Both parents and atleast one puppy has to be tested. But I do not know if the puppys will bee "Isag 2006" ??? My CsW Hronec´s parents was tested in Finland to, but he has no "Isag 2006" Best regards / M
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But the Dutch system of de Raad van Beheer is for me "a bit strange".... as long as it is not obligated to have DNA result of both parents and at least one puppy!
The RVBH checks first all the paper info (is it the correct owner aso), and then the owners has to do the test by them selve.... The owner has to collect DNA matarial of his dog with 2 swabs, and send it to the institute. In my opinion it would be better to collect EDTA blood by a vet who can first check the chip of the dog
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With the swaps, that sure leaves room for cheating...but only if you wanna use your bitch or dog once, and at the staring stages, crossreferencing will make it harder to cheat in time... it is a small step, a tiny one ... |
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11-10-2008, 17:40 | #6 |
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Nice trying, but I think it won't work as won't give any garanties for who buy or breed CzW.
You only need material of 1 puppy per litter, material take by owner at home... Who want's make mix will do it and register as CzW without any dificulties, and worst, will sold the puppies as "pure czW DNA tested" when it's not. Is pretty easy the "breeder" add puppies from a CzW mix in a little litter of pure CzW , send pure CzW puppy blood and register hole litter with the mixes togheter as pure. Even if vet comes for take the blood continues easy to cheat.
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11-10-2008, 20:13 | #7 |
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Irresponsible and money breeders will always find out a way to cheat!
But it would become more difficult for them when:
Then there can always be checked if the puppies are real puppies of the parents the breeder did write on the papers
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This is something fore all CsV clubs to follow I think, It is in the best interest of the breed. I hope that DEFRA will do this tests in the UK if they alows breeding of CsV in the future... Regads / Mikael
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13-10-2008, 20:01 | #9 |
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I think what Patrick is trying to say/ask is what follows:
If a belgian breeder wants to use a studdog that doesn't live in belgium, he also needs the DNA-code of that dog. So the foreign studdog will have to be tested and he has to have an ISAG 2006 code, otherwise we (belgian breeders) can't 'use' the dog. So it's kind of a problem that Belgium is one of the first countries who officialy require this Will the owners of the studdogs in other countries will be so kind to have their dogs tested by a veterinary/lab qualified to do so according to the rules of our system? If not, we can't use 'foreign' males anymore I think it costs about 50 Euro and the dog has to be tested before the mating took place... Liesbeth
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But I do not think it is a hard thing to do and the cost is not so high eather. And the new puppy owners will know 100% that it is a CsV and ho the parents are by 100% to. Regards / Mikael
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