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Old 07-04-2005, 18:20   #41
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.Anyway to my way of thinking if this person isn't impressed with the CSW,then it's one less idiot buying them..
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Old 09-04-2005, 06:28   #42
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I just dont think its good publicity, I dont want to have what happened with DEFRA happen here. The Australian public is sensitive about "intoduced species" and i think they will be quick to think of it this way. The person who was chating was asking if anyone knew of anyone breeding them here and when she was questioned on the wisdom of doing this became defencive. She said things like are bad with children, ect. She also is taking the stand point that she wants a wolfdog because she wants a wolf ( fair enough) but these dogs are not just some hybrid, alot of dedicated people are working with this dog. Wolfdogs are a lot of work, not like any dog here. My dog is one of the best working dogs i have ever owned, her intelligence is what attracted me to the breed. Look who ever this girl is if you just want a dog that looks like a wolf, drop me a line and i will tell you what to do, but you are going about this the wrong way. I dont know what do you guys think she has started chats at about 5 different sites, even asked about getting an actual wolf-hybrid.
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Old 09-04-2005, 12:42   #43
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Ligerwolf,
I hopped on the site and wasn't surprised by the chat going on!!!!
Especially from the guys talking about 'our breed' the GSD.Don't get me wrong I love GSD's however they are becoming stagnant in the way they are being bred,losing alot of their drive,and,because the showring people have taken over the guardianship of the breed,the physical health of the breed has suffered thru an increase in hip Dysplasia.Also because showring people tend to breed only for looks there are alot of GSD's out there you can't trust,which is sad for perhaps the greatest utility breed ever created.From all I learnt from this site,speaking to breeders and owners,the CSW is a specialist breed,for tracking,however there are alot of breeders and owners expanding the CSW's range,what any Australian MUST be willing to do is take the time and effort to work the dogs they import to get a feel for them and to know their strength's and weaknesses.YES you will stuff up,but that only suggests the handlers weakness and perhaps over-zealousness,however,if done right,it won't be a total loss as training is a learning curve no matter the breed.Also if a bitch is imported you can always do better with a young pup you carefully select.
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Old 12-04-2005, 00:28   #44
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I agree with you about the GSD, although I have one myself. Its a shame that here in Australia we dont seem to have any real stable, natural working dogs. If it becomes inpossible to import these dogs then i have been considering creating my own working dog. Because of my career interests I need a really good dog, so far akayla (my czech shepherd) has been the closest thing. Personally I think the whole dog community needs a big shake up.
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:37   #45
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Ligerwolf,
To start with it's not illegal to import this breed!Secondly they are NOT on the Banned list-wolf hybrids ARE and there's a big difference btwn a wolfdog&wolf hybrid.Thirdly I know there is a pure Canadian Timberwolf in Victoria right now,who is 4 years old and in good,responsible hands,but I'm not telling anyone where it is,and I will never breed to him.
Lastly,the only way the government can ban any breed of dog is if it proves to be a continuing threat to humans and other animals.The reason the pitbull is banned is cos of the ferocity of attacks and because other Nations have banned it.Australia banned it cos Britain banned it.It would be interesting to find official statistics on the number of recorded attacks by the CSW.
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Old 13-04-2005, 03:45   #46
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I realise its not illegal to import CWD's but I was thinking more along the lines of how to get one here without any damage to the dogs mental well being. I am not sure about leaving one in quarantine for 6 months so its not a definate I will import. I have relatives over seas and are talking with them about it. There is no garantee that someone will bring the breed here, though I hope so. My point is this, the dog community here needs a shake up, dogs are being breed as merly pets which I think is doing more harm than good and after trying to speak with breeders I am convinced that we need something new. I know we have some pure wolves here i know someone near Brisbane that has one, we even have some hybrids but I cant see just a normal person being able to import one. Since without a licence they have to be five generations removed and have documents that state this. I am however trying to track down an old contact and see if he is still breeding Timber Shepherds. I guess because up till recently i only ever delt with unwanted dogs it is a big shift to the attitude of breeders. So i am still adjusting
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Old 13-04-2005, 11:01   #47
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Okay,you're right,most dogs are being bred only for pets,however,you must remember that society and social attitudes have changed and rendered much of the reason these breeds were created for in the first place eg hunting dogs,as unnecessary,and for some people barbaric.However,merely bringing out a new breed doesn't solve anything,what needs to be done,is for breeders and clubs to change their attitudes to the way the dog is bred.So the clubs must demand that all potential breeding stock be thoroughly tested so that only the very best dogs are bred,and for the breeder to take responsibility for the breeding done and the ongoing support to the owners.
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Old 15-04-2005, 03:49   #48
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Mostly I agree, but there is a type of working dog that is missing here. I dont see anything wrong with the people out there trying to bring in new breeds, like the CWD. Its fairly new. Im not saying Im going to run out there and just start randomly breeding dogs, i just think the breeders attitude is this is THE BREED, AND IT SHOULD BE LIKE THIS AND THATS IT. The breeders I know of are like following the breed outline and trying to make the GSD more GSD. Does that make sense? I have this book with breeds of cat and dogs today and 20 years ago. Some wouldnt be recognised today. I would like to see a more natural looking dog that has some of the wolf like working qualities. Do you know that a wolf uses more of its brain than a dog. Whats with that? I think breeders are making there dogs obsalite. I mean this as a generalisation not ALL breeders. Sorry.
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Old 17-04-2005, 03:11   #49
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I definitely agree that breeders shouldn't mess with what they have been given,however,many are driven by the desire for perfection of looks or whatever,and this has led to the prevalence of many of the genetic defects present in almost all breeds we have today.As for the GSD,von Stephanitz must be rolling in his grave!!!!!
Credit must be given where it is due and from the amount of info. I have gained thru this website,I can see the CSW breeders are being as close to true to this breed as you can be,unfortunately it really only takes one to stuff it for all and it can have a devastating effect on the breed as a whole.
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Old 20-05-2005, 07:52   #50
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Long time- no write Well just thought you would all like to know that I have got in contact finally with the breeders of Timber Shepherds here in Australia. I knew had had that number some where I will keep you guys posted incase any of you are interested. Remember that these are a different breed from CWD's and they look different. They are also only about 5-10% wolf. fantastic working dogs though. If you are interested please reply because I will assume that if no one replies no one wants to know. I am still planning to import one day, just might get another puppy while I wait
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Old 27-05-2005, 20:52   #51
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as long as you can prove it is at least 5gens from any pure wolf,however,it is this proof that is hardest to get as pedigree papers are not sufficient.I know cos I've already spoken to the relevant people and have friends in Quarantine kennels.Simon-Australia
That's a peculiar situation, isn't it... In what other way, then, can one prove that the dog is at least 5 generations away form the wolf if not through his/her pedigree papers....? By questioning the dog itself or maybe examining its genetic code?
Isn't the red tape absurd everywhere in the world.....
For what I know the genetics of the dog and the wolf they are igual.


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(for importing) but I have about $9000 so far.


9000 dollars to import a wolfdog!!!
you are certain of that this costs everything???
this would be R$18500!!!!
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Old 28-05-2005, 04:44   #52
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No they cant test the genes so it is all up to the pedigree papers and I suppose the general look of the dog. yes $9000.00 is alot but I still need about another $1000.00 at least. But I am getting married next year so the savings are on hold while I save for that. You have to be really passionate about the breed to want to import so maybe thats a good thing. my Czech Shepherd (wolfdog) cost about $3000.00 without papers and that was to buy from Australian Breeder. I am also going to get a Timber Shepherd in a little while and they are said to be about the same. So you can tell that I REALLY love these dogs. If you add the cost of the 4 dogs I want and have its about $17000.00 my fiancee thinks Im mad
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No they cant test the genes so it is all up to the pedigree papers and I suppose the general look of the dog. yes $9000.00 is alot but I still need about another $1000.00 at least. But I am getting married next year so the savings are on hold while I save for that. You have to be really passionate about the breed to want to import so maybe thats a good thing. my Czech Shepherd (wolfdog) cost about $3000.00 without papers and that was to buy from Australian Breeder. I am also going to get a Timber Shepherd in a little while and they are said to be about the same. So you can tell that I REALLY love these dogs. If you add the cost of the 4 dogs I want and have its about $17000.00 my fiancee thinks Im mad
I am gotten passionate by Wolfdogs, I find that if I to see one to the living creature start to cry of emotion, I say that after I touching in one can die in peace because I obtained everything what I wanted, I not playing, since that I today had 8 years until I dream in having one wolfdog.
The day that I will have money to bring one wolfdog for Brazil I swear that I go to obtain first place in ranking national (CBKC). When I was looking for breeders of this breed in Brazil I heard a mount of lies here on the breed, since that it was murderous even of that she was fearful and did not serve nor for expositions nor for work, therefore goes to show to the " gentlemen breeders " that " everything they know " how much a Wolfdog is good, how much it can be accompanying if to fall in good hands.
The biggest problem to import any thing for Brazil is that the "Real ($$$$)" very is devaluated, 1 "Euro" valley 3 "Reals" for more, any thing that I want that I am in "Euros" I go to have that to increase the value in 3 times.

This that is perfection. For me they do not exist animal prettier of the one than these.






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Hi everyone from the land of Australia. I am only new to CSW's but I have been researching as much as I can from the sources I have. I would love any information anyone is willing to give me as I would like to one day own one of these lovely dogs. I have asked about the rules regarding importing them into my country but it's given me such a headache reading through it all :P.I hope this has made some sense as I am writing this while reading the large pile of paper Quarantine has given... /sigh so much homework but worth every bit .Thanks -Pariah
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Old 26-11-2007, 08:52   #55
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There is another Australian here who plans to import, "slarman". He knows the regulation and might be able to help you.

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Unfortunatly Slarman doesn't allow personal messages. But hopefully he sees this thread and posts something about it or contacts me
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Old 27-11-2007, 15:39   #57
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Unfortunatly Slarman doesn't allow personal messages. But hopefully he sees this thread and posts something about it or contacts me
As far as I remember Simon's e-mail address was in one of his posts. I'm not 100% sure but it could have been in spring or summer 2005... Maybe it's still working?
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Old 27-11-2007, 22:20   #58
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Hi everyone from the land of Australia. I am only new to CSW's but I have been researching as much as I can from the sources I have. I would love any information anyone is willing to give me as I would like to one day own one of these lovely dogs. I have asked about the rules regarding importing them into my country but it's given me such a headache reading through it all :P.I hope this has made some sense as I am writing this while reading the large pile of paper Quarantine has given... /sigh so much homework but worth every bit .Thanks -Pariah
hi quarantine is very stressful for most normal dogs, it would be a lot worse for a czech, it would be a really good idea if two people were getting dogs and it could be arranged for both dogs to be exported at the same time and be together for there quarantine period, it would be a lot less stress for the dogs, please also check and see if quarantine applies from all countries, i know dogs leaving u.k to lots of countries do not need quarantine as uk is classified rabbies free,, regards paul uk
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Old 28-11-2007, 07:03   #59
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Hmm I have been doing some thinking and have had a thought.. ( which one typically gets after thinking :P) that before I Import a CSW I would like to see and meet some of these lovely dogs to know for absolute sure they are the ones for me. Don't get me wrong all your pictures are the beautiful and all but I just don't think it would be very wise to purchase a dog, fly it all the way out here to aussie and have an unhappy experience. Any thoughts about this or ideas as to how I can go about Meeting some of your lovely dogs? I don't mind travelling ( Hmm meeting wolfdogs and travelling the world. Sounds like a great holiday ).
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That is normally what we recommend before getting themselfs wolfdogs
There are summercamps in Slovakia, Czech Republik and Germany and another camp in Poland. In Germany is one together with the Clubshow. It is a good possibilty to meet many different dogs and people. A Clubshow with a specialised judge like Sona Bognarova or Oskar Dora ist the best possibility to get an impression how a wolfdog should look like.

The camps are different especially the ones in Slovakia and the Czech Republik.
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