Puppy prices (not only in UK)

[mutt]

Hi
My husband and I are interested in taking a wolfdog as a pet. We are in the Uk. £2000 does seem expensive. Can anyone shed any light on what is a fair price? You have to accept that a rear or new breed will have a higher price. My husband has contacted the people mentioned, but we are unsure as to what we ought to be paying.

[Navarre]

Originally Posted by mutt

Hi
My husband and I are interested in taking a wolfdog as a pet. We are in the Uk. £2000 does seem expensive. Can anyone shed any light on what is a fair price? You have to accept that a rear or new breed will have a higher price. My husband has contacted the people mentioned, but we are unsure as to what we ought to be paying.

usually in Italy the price requested for a puppy is 1000-1300 euro from champions parents, similar in Deutschland...a bit lower in other country of eastern europe.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Yes but that´s the price in Euro not pound. I think 2000 - 2500 Euros are around the realistic price if you think of bringing a dog to the UK if the breeder does all the things that are necessary for that.

regards Ina

[Conor]

Hi, conor here. This is my first post.
I went to see Paul and Mandy yesterday, and I spoke to Paul about many things, including the tragic death of Lynx, and the price of the puppies. Any potential owner in the UK has to bear in mind that a lot of the pain associated with acquiring one of these dogs has been eliminated by Paul and Mandy. We will get our pups at the optimum yime for socialising, instead of having to wait for the approriate Rabies tests to be done, and other delays that occur upon trying to import one for ourselves. We will also not incur the expense involved, or the stress both to ourselves, and our new dogs. £2000 is a lot, but I think it isn't too far from the mark of what you should expect to pay for a rare dog such as the CzW. Should you choose to undertake to breed your animal at a later stage, you will almost certainly re-coup the initial outlay, and I can't imagine it beign hard to make a profit!

I checked the pups out, and it is obvoius that Lynx was a good mother, and that Paul and Mandy know what they are about. From what i had read, I expected all of these pups to be shy, reserved, and wary of me. Instead i was literally knocked over by their enthusiastic approaches they made to me. They are a happy, well adjusted, sociable litter. I can't wait 'til next week, when I pick up the dog i selected.

Throughout the entire process paul and mandy have been helpful and have given me advice and guidance. they are very approachable and down to earth, as well as knowlegeable. It showed in the qualtiy of the pups I saw and handled yesterday.

[Navarre]

mmm... 2000 pounds are 2900 euro !!!


this breeder is the one and only in UK....

I think that this is the only thing that justifies that price.

or maybe the cost of life is so high in UK ?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Indeed, the costs of live are extremly high in the UK. The last time we´ve been there we payed 240 Euros for four Pizzas and two bottles of ordinary housewine in a normal Pizzeria, fortunately we´ve very good friends there.
And I think Conor is right, They´ve been through a lot of troubles to get this litter. What makes Lynx death even more tragic than it is anyway.
The only thing to worry about is that looking on long terms somebody has to get through this trouble again to get other bloodlines into the country.

Ina

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Indeed, the costs of live are extremly high in the UK. The last time we´ve been there we payed 240 Euros for four Pizzas and two bottles of ordinary housewine in a normal Pizzeria, fortunately we´ve very good friends there.
And I think Conor is right, They´ve been through a lot of troubles to get this litter. What makes Lynx death even more tragic than it is anyway.
The only thing to worry about is that looking on long terms somebody has to get through this trouble again to get other bloodlines into the country.

Ina

hi there my wife & i already have breeding programe set up & fresh bloodlines will be imported later this year regards paul

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by mid'lifecry'sis

My thoughts go to Paul and Mandy who I have gotten to know due to the tragic loss of there bitch - so close to having the full breeding programme accepted by the Kennel club here in the UK.

Paul visits the Web site regularly, so I know he won't mind me asking of anyone thinks £2000 pounds sterling each - is this high or the correct price - I hope to fall in love with a pup this weekend.

Chris

I will start of my reply by firstly stating that Chris will never own a Czech Wolfdog that I have bred or from my breeding stock in the U.K

In answer to the price of a pup, prices are set with the dogs on availability [as with everything], so in countries where the Czech is more available prices will be set lower than in the U.K. I pay double the price sometimes treble Vets fees. In the U.K the average price for a pedigree dog is £600-£750. For a dog bred from a champion parents it is between £1200-£3000 depending on the breed, the rarity of the dog the higher the price.

I speant nearly 5 years searching for a Czech. I sold my home in the U.K in order to live and work with the breed, I have speant 100's of hours with paper work getting ready to do my best to get the breed recongnised by the kennel club and I am nearly there.

Chris did you ever wonder why there are no Czechs in the U.k? Because nobody could do it! they all gave up!

With the average prices of dogs in the U.K do you think I will ever sell a Czech at an average price that could buy a British Bulldog or other common breeds?! Do not insult this breed of dog online! In fact I set you an online challenge for you to go find yourself a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Mr smart arse!

The U.K is a very expensive place. Vet bills are high, Vaccinations are high, Dog food is expensive, it costs on average nearly %500 to rear one pup ready for sale.

People like Chris sit back and let other people do all the work and effort, years of hard work getting this breed to the U.L. If it were not for the dedicated Czech overs in the U.K I woud take them all back the Europe, but why ruin it all for a fool like Chris. No Chris you can't have your cake and eat it. Not with the Czech wolfdog! Thank you Conor for your mail and if Chris had of asked the questions you did. Yes. The pups are worth every penny or their weight in gold.

P.Winder

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by mutt

Hi
My husband and I are interested in taking a wolfdog as a pet. We are in the Uk. £2000 does seem expensive. Can anyone shed any light on what is a fair price? You have to accept that a rear or new breed will have a higher price. My husband has contacted the people mentioned, but we are unsure as to what we ought to be paying.

hi paul winder here why have you not tried to get a czech from europe like i did ? you & chris are the only people who have questioned the price, why dont you team up & go to europe & get some czechs in & help the breed develope instead of running my wife & i down over price, the price is justified infact it is low. a british bulldog is £1500, a thia ridgeback in uk is £6000 thank god you did not want one of them. i have no time for this my concern is getting the bred reconised by the kennel club, if this price is high you will never own a czech .

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hello Pacino,

we are going to be in England in June leading a german trecking tour with dogs through the yorkshire dales. If everything goes like we plan (that means my husband and me are able to go) we will take at least one of our wolfdogs with us. Maybe we could meet there?

Regards Ina

[mid'lifecry'sis]

Paul is right - that's a good price given my own research into the import costs and pain. If you are in the UK and need one of these, these two breeders are the one's to see it's worth every penny; they will look after you and have a huge reputation in the UK. I would suggest that you pay Paul the 2k and thank your lucky stars that they have completed all of the work for you; I questioned without thought and following research - you don't want to get involved in imports. As for timing - agreed the same email was foolish.

Chris

[Conor]

Conor here.
I am very pleased that this breed has been introduced to the UK by people like Paul and Mandy. Even if the breed had been here years and had been well established, I still would have wanted to get a dog from the likes of them. I have encountered no condescension, no overtures of cynical money making, and concern and questioning from them to ensure that their dogs are going to go to the right homes. I am fully satisfied that I have gone to the right people. I am fortunate in that the dog I am taking is also of excellent pedigree, as well as nurture. As Paul says, both of these factors ALWAYS command higher prices, and I am happy to pay it, as I am re-assured that I am buying into future support and help when we (the dog and I) need it. Once I get this guy home and happy, I am going to seriously consider acquiring a bitch. I will be referring to Paul and Mandy, at least for advice, and almost certainly for the dog itself, if they have any available.

From my previous experience of British dog breeders, they usually seem aloof, elitist, and reluctant to divulge their 'secret' knowledge in case you get one up on them, and to hell with the pup you took from them six months ago. Add to that the puppy farms and I am sure the result is a lot of unhappy, uncared for dogs, and confused, unknowledgable owners. We all should be looking to put a stop to that. It's a shame there aren't more people breeding different breeds of dogs in the UK who have the same attitude as Paul and Mandy. I know that I am going to learn a lot from them, and that they will teach me happily.

Paul and Mandy also want owners who are going to become actively involved in assisting the establishment of the breed in the UK, so they are anticipating some comittment from us, the new owners. I veiw this positively and with excitment, as the net result should be a group of dedicated owners maintaining contact, sharing experience, and hopefully developing friendships. I hope that we will all work together to protect, nurture and positively promote the CzW as the UKs newest, and most noble breed.

Conor

[Wolfsirius]

Very intersting subject. I just wrote long long reply, and my computer missed it, so i start again.

We have momentally at home 4 import Ceskoslovensky's, 2 import Saarloos, 2 import Spinonis
and two "Fin made" dogs (German Shepherd and Fila Brasileiro)
+ FIN made Ceskoslovensky puppies

To breed a dogs is easy, to breed good or excellent dogs is not so easy anymore, and to breed and find good homes for a wolfdog is sometimes impossible, example here in Finland.
I think dog price is not the main thing if you want dog, even for me it isn't. I know, for some people it is. But never should be.
To take care of dog is not free. And livin costs in different countries are very different. Nearest example for us is Russia,or Estonia.
Both very much cheaper than Finland, and both so near that we can go there in two hours.
I spoke now about Finland, for an example. You have to pay taxes from every dog you own every year and you get nothing for that. Your dog must be leashed, well trained, quet and clean all the time. If any troubles come out, it's immediatelly in newspapers and soon hole breed can be illegal,cause of some unresponsible owners/breeders. As an wolfdog breeder i never wanna that happen, and i really try to find good enough homes for puppies leave from us. If i don't, puppies stay by us longer. That is a fact.
Vet cost, show entrees, dog food, meat, all very expensive here. Distances are also very long here, and average show trip is 500 kilometers. Gasolin, cars and taxes which you to pay to own a car is very expensive too. Heating costs for you, or for your kennel houses are amazing, and you have to keep heating on here at least half a year, more cold, more dogfood which your dog use. Dogs need more energy in cold weather. Simple, but expensive.

I guess, average dog price in Finland is 900 Eur, example all "toydogs" costs 1000-1200Eur no matter are they rare or not.
Of course more rare more price.
Cats with pedigree cost here from 600 to 1500 Eur, yes, cats. German shepherds costs 800Eur, and registered every year about 2500 piece.
My wolfdog puppies costs 1300-1500Eur depence on breed and a little bit pedigree,show results and so on. I guess, that is not much. Not much from a breed we have here momentally 14+ 8 puppy (saarloos 10 piece, first saarloos litter, puppyprice over 2000Eur )
Not much from a breed which can easily live 14 years and everyone who have wolfdog knows what kind of costs it can made within it's life.
Not much, as you get a puppy with pedigree, microchip, veterinary healthy certificate, over 100 pages feeding, training and how to take care instructions with life long support. Is it? I guess no.

For me a price of puppy is not decisive, then what is? BREEDERS KNOWLEDGE and interesting for the breed, pedigrees, healthy parents and how breeder take care of own dogs and puppies. For me, 1500Eur from a dog is average price, i could pay also more, if i really want a dog. And i had pay, many times. Not just for a dog directly, but with import costs, yes. I am not a millionaire, i work with normal cellary (average)
8 hours daily, and as an hobby, i breed wolfdogs. I don't see any sense to compare dogprices between different countries, cause my opinion still is, that it all depence what you get. And if wanna compare prices of dogs, have to compare everything else too then.

Price of puppy in England is high, but i understund it well. Livin costs in England is very high too, and litter is first.
Breeders in england i don't know, but i believe they are good responsible breeders.
If somebody wanted a puppy from me to England, i can say, that with all costs which will come out (as Ina said already) , it's not much cheaper than puppies in England now. Of course, it's new blood then and worth of it, but every people don't wanna breed, and don't need different bloodlines then.

One example still, i could buy a Fila brasileiro from russia in 300Eur, but i didn't. I buy it from Finland, and pay 1500Eur. And i never regret that. Why? I know what i get, i get a dog from responsible breeder who really is interesting on it's breed and i get also life long support.
He breed Filas for a very deep love in that breed, not for a money.

I hope you all understund which kind of breed you have in your hands, i really wish cooperation more, and i wish you all breed your dogs as an hobby, deep love in this breed, not for a money. Then it's worth of it, cause we all know, what you left behind, you find in front, sooner or later, and these kind of breeds really need responsible owners and even more responsible breeders. We have at home momentally 6 Ceskoslovensky puppies age of 7 weeks, still without home, cause i haven't find good enough yet. I hope i find soon, but also know, i'll keep it longer, if i don't.

I wish all the best for everyone, especially for English litter and breeders, i know how hard it sometimes can be with these dogs,
to breed it, try to find good homes.

Greetings from cold (expensive) Finland; Suski, Kennel WolfSirius

(this wasn't so good as my first missed reply, but i hope you understund me still...)

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Conor

From what i had read, I expected all of these pups to be shy, reserved, and wary of me.

NO. The CzW puppies are very open, prying and self-confident. But on the condition that they will be adequately socialized by the breeder.
Most of the puppies are born in the winner. They stay in the kennels for the whole time without the contact with people, dogs, aso. Most of them see the breeder only during the feeding time. Such puppies are shy and reserved. And sometimes they stay shy for the whole lifetime.

If you will find a good breeder, you will also get a good puppy (at least concerning the character).

[Richard Graham]

Hi im looking to buy CsV pup for my bitch, to inport to uk,as a new blood line ,could you give me any name of breeders please

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by richardgraham

Hi im looking to buy CsV pup for my bitch, to inport to uk,as a new blood line ,could you give me any name of breeders please

hi

if u read through the forum u will get ideas of lines and breeders...but i would warn you i doubt any reputable breeder will sell you a dog to breed with your unregistered csv.

[Richard Graham]

what make you think that my dog not registed?

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by richardgraham

Hi im looking to buy CsV pup for my bitch, to inport to uk,as a new blood line ,could you give me any name of breeders please

What will happen to your Pup if it is not able to breed? (Bad hips?etc)

[Richard Graham]

she is part of our family, need to get facts right,before opening your mouths

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by richardgraham

she is part of our family, need to get facts right,before opening your mouths

If you could post your dog's pedigree, people maybe could be more helpfull - at least to tell you what lines you should look for.