British Kennel Club Recognition - Page 2

tupacs2legs · 12-09-2011, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Rona

I don't remember any post saying WHEN Layla should breed, she doesn't even have a CSV female

, so don't you worry. The suggestions about breeding were just forum members' appreciation of her attitude to her dogs, to the issue of breeding mixes, and of her views on the breed, health testing, training, etc., which she has been expressing on the forum for some time now.
From saying: "In my opinion you'd make a good breeder" or "I'd buy a pup from you, because I feel I could trust you", to actual breeding is a loooong way.

I hope I've explained this misunderstanding clearly enough.

yes ! and thankyou

happyfeet... my crossbreed dogs are not wolfdog crosses by the way.

and the 'orkney' breeder does not breed pure.(but does own pure)

and the conversations via e-mail (3 in total i think) to mr winder were not as exciting as u would wish.....one of the reasons was , 'quote'....he 'would not risk a female to be spayed as they are too valuable to the breed at the moment' hmmmm........ is that me encouraging breeding with unregistered dogs ???.

hedeon · 12-09-2011, 15:28

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Originally Posted by happyfeet

I think that it would be irresponsible to encourage breeding these dogs without KC reg in the UK {my view}

Will it be irresponsible only to encourage breeding or to breed at all? It doesn't stopped many breeders, like mr Winder for example. Does it make him irresponsible breeder then, or is he an exception from this point of view?

happyfeet · 12-09-2011, 15:58

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Originally Posted by hedeon

Will it be irresponsible only to encourage breeding or to breed at all? It doesn't stopped many breeders, like mr Winder for example. Does it make him irresponsible breeder then, or is he an exception from this point of view?

As I dont know him or have never heard of him before the forum post
I couldnt comment on him or his practices!

I think {in my opinion } any breeding or protential breeding of these dogs should only be done in the UK once KC reg is gained....by perhaps registered vetted breeders if that is at all possible?

Ive seen 2 'breeders' websites one in devon and one in orkney I have not seen his until today

It did make me wonder ..if he is such a terrible person and had no care for his puppies why he would go to such an extent to vet everyone he sells a puppy to and even rejected members of this forum? Strange... conflicting messages really!

There is obviously a demand for the dogs in the U.K but worries me that people are buying into something that they may not bargain for!

One would hope that people thinking of buying this breed would do research and find forums like this to make themselves aware before purchasing!! one can dream!!

..however I also didnt know this forum or website excisted either!

if I was to consider another dog I wouldnt buy from the UK until the breed was registered...{in my own opinion}

happyfeet · 12-09-2011, 16:05

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Originally Posted by happyfeet

As I dont know him or have never heard of him before the forum post
I couldnt comment on him or his practices!

I think {in my opinion } any breeding or protential breeding of these dogs should only be done in the UK once KC reg is gained....by perhaps registered vetted breeders if that is at all possible?

Ive seen 2 'breeders' websites one in devon and one in orkney I have not seen his until today

It did make me wonder ..if he is such a terrible person and had no care for his puppies why he would go to such an extent to vet everyone he sells a puppy to and even rejected members of this forum? Strange... conflicting messages really!

There is obviously a demand for the dogs in the U.K but worries me that people are buying into something that they may not bargain for!

One would hope that people thinking of buying this breed would do research and find forums like this to make themselves aware before purchasing!! one can dream!!

..however I also didnt know this forum or website excisted either!

if I was to consider another dog I wouldnt buy from the UK until the breed was registered...{in my own opinion}

furthermore even after owning a czech wolfdog for over 10 years and living in the UK for a few years I wouldnt even consider breeding dogs!
I still think I am learning more and more everyday!!

hedeon · 12-09-2011, 16:19

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Originally Posted by happyfeet

It did make me wonder ..if he is such a terrible person and had no care for his puppies why he would go to such an extent to vet everyone he sells a puppy to and even rejected members of this forum? Strange... conflicting messages really!

For example he could reject someone from this forum (why not? If demand is so high he will find another buyer no problem) just to say in future "look how wonderful breeder I am, I've rejected one of you, because I really care about my pups." Or if a cross would be sold as a pure CSV, someone from this forum could actually find out that, and make a lot of unwanted noise on the forum. Explanations may be many, so I don't think these messages are conflicting really. I never said he is a terrible person. He just crosses CSV with others breeds, and I don't really like to get my dog from breeder who does that. That's it.

kalcon · 13-09-2011, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyfeet

As I dont know him or have never heard of him before the forum post
I couldnt comment on him or his practices!

I think {in my opinion } any breeding or protential breeding of these dogs should only be done in the UK once KC reg is gained....by perhaps registered vetted breeders if that is at all possible?

Ive seen 2 'breeders' websites one in devon and one in orkney I have not seen his until today

It did make me wonder ..if he is such a terrible person and had no care for his puppies why he would go to such an extent to vet everyone he sells a puppy to and even rejected members of this forum? Strange... conflicting messages really!

There is obviously a demand for the dogs in the U.K but worries me that people are buying into something that they may not bargain for!

One would hope that people thinking of buying this breed would do research and find forums like this to make themselves aware before purchasing!! one can dream!!

..however I also didnt know this forum or website excisted either!

if I was to consider another dog I wouldnt buy from the UK until the breed was registered...{in my own opinion}

hello i am james i own a Czechoslovakian wolfdog bred by ronnie winder, i live only 3 miles from him, i have visited his kennels many times, he breeds Czechoslovakian wolfdogs and he breeds other wolfdogs, he has never told any lies, he has bred a czech wolfdog to a wolf, but he has never bred a czech wolfdog to any other bred of dog, he bred the czech to the wolf as this is what he does with many breeders in European countries, Ireland and USA, i can assure you it is very hard to get a wolfdog from this man, 101 questions, he googles your post code to see where you live, he wants to know all about your life style, kids, animals, as i work and am away for 5 hrs a day he insisted i build an outdoor kennel and excercice area and that i also got another dog to keep the wolfdog company when i was at work, i have a labrador as well which he insisted i got castrated,,he treats everyone the same when vetting and only sells to best homes,,,,,,,,,,if you live in uk then email ronnie he wont eat you, and you can arrange visit to see his dogs and you can go into large enclosure with a pack of wolfdogs it is an experience you will never forget,,,,,,,james.

orkwolf · 21-09-2011, 14:00

REGARDING BREEDER "ORKWOLF"
After checking out certain members and posts etc I am astonished to be taking undeserved lies, criticism and hate. Why, I have not wronged anyone, the people commenting vocally don't even know me, they have never spoken or met me or my dogs, so how dare you.
I am not the only breeder in the UK who breeds pure CsV to 3/4 cross CsV. Why am I getting slated!
I take the care of my dogs and pups seriously, I have been working alongside my animal welfare officer over the last few months to become Orkneys only licensed & regulated breeder, this should be completed by the 28th October, not the actions of a back street breeder with no morals or regard for his animals!
Its well noted that my dogs are in excellent health and want for nothing as are my pups.
YES I do vet interested new owners with a variety of important and thought provoking questions that have to be emailed back to me so I hold as a record!
YES I give out an Adoption Contract that has strict stipulations as to the care, welfare and commitment to my pup and it also legally enables me to take back MY pup/dog if it is in anyway miss-treated, abused or neglected.
I DONT lie, I dont change records or switch pups/parents on forms, I dont change dates to sell pups, I dont breed super high content hybrids and sell to people with very young children, all information about my dogs and their breed details are readily available. ALL of my pups are vet checked TWICE and all vaccinations done, they are wormed every 2 weeks from 4 weeks on, treated with frontline, microchipped, new owners are vetted and are under contract, I am in contact with every one of my pups owners and know where every pup is. All my dogs are registered with my local council and vets, all my pups births are on record with exact dates and parentage. I only breed bitches that are over 2 years old, and breed bitches with a full 12 month rest gap from their last litters and breed only 4 litters per bitch, unlike so many other breeders!
I took back one pup recently because the new owners had lied about how long the pup was spending on its own, this was a first in 6 litters, I travelled on a 25 hour round trip {including two 7 hour ferry trips, one ferry trip was storm force 8!} to get her back safely and I re-homed her with a loving caring current Orkwolf pup owner. Are these the actions of an inconsiderate uncaring breeder just out for money? NO. So why exactly am I being talked about in this way, what, because I breed a pure to a cross? I will breed pure CsV dogs when I am able to find suitable honest breeders who health test their dogs.

TO THE ONES WHO CRITICISE
Come to my farm on the Orkney coast, stay the weekend, see my dogs, play with them, fuss them, see their two exercise areas both 2 acres big, or see our own enclosed area of beach, that we own, that they play on, see their above standard kennelling, their health records, the £1000 every three months on vets bills, the £200 I spend on meat and food every week, see that I am not making £££££ but putting everything back into the care and welfare of my pack!
The actions of a few bring into question the accuracy of any information on this site.
I take immense offence to the comments that have been made about me and can prove they are lies so REMEMBER putting incorrect, miss-leading hateful remarks and lies on public forums like this will lead to prosecution an these ones being sued!!
I am watching very carefully certain ones who have for unknown reasons taken to libel and slander, MARK MY WORDS I will sue you if you continue, YOU know who you are. I am doing nothing wrong, but certain ones actions here are illegal.
Thank you
Paul Collins. ORKWOLF

21-09-2011, 14:00	#7
orkwolf Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 26	REGARDING BREEDER "ORKWOLF" After checking out certain members and posts etc I am astonished to be taking undeserved lies, criticism and hate. Why, I have not wronged anyone, the people commenting vocally don't even know me, they have never spoken or met me or my dogs, so how dare you. I am not the only breeder in the UK who breeds pure CsV to 3/4 cross CsV. Why am I getting slated! I take the care of my dogs and pups seriously, I have been working alongside my animal welfare officer over the last few months to become Orkneys only licensed & regulated breeder, this should be completed by the 28th October, not the actions of a back street breeder with no morals or regard for his animals! Its well noted that my dogs are in excellent health and want for nothing as are my pups. YES I do vet interested new owners with a variety of important and thought provoking questions that have to be emailed back to me so I hold as a record! YES I give out an Adoption Contract that has strict stipulations as to the care, welfare and commitment to my pup and it also legally enables me to take back MY pup/dog if it is in anyway miss-treated, abused or neglected. I DONT lie, I dont change records or switch pups/parents on forms, I dont change dates to sell pups, I dont breed super high content hybrids and sell to people with very young children, all information about my dogs and their breed details are readily available. ALL of my pups are vet checked TWICE and all vaccinations done, they are wormed every 2 weeks from 4 weeks on, treated with frontline, microchipped, new owners are vetted and are under contract, I am in contact with every one of my pups owners and know where every pup is. All my dogs are registered with my local council and vets, all my pups births are on record with exact dates and parentage. I only breed bitches that are over 2 years old, and breed bitches with a full 12 month rest gap from their last litters and breed only 4 litters per bitch, unlike so many other breeders! I took back one pup recently because the new owners had lied about how long the pup was spending on its own, this was a first in 6 litters, I travelled on a 25 hour round trip {including two 7 hour ferry trips, one ferry trip was storm force 8!} to get her back safely and I re-homed her with a loving caring current Orkwolf pup owner. Are these the actions of an inconsiderate uncaring breeder just out for money? NO. So why exactly am I being talked about in this way, what, because I breed a pure to a cross? I will breed pure CsV dogs when I am able to find suitable honest breeders who health test their dogs. TO THE ONES WHO CRITICISE Come to my farm on the Orkney coast, stay the weekend, see my dogs, play with them, fuss them, see their two exercise areas both 2 acres big, or see our own enclosed area of beach, that we own, that they play on, see their above standard kennelling, their health records, the £1000 every three months on vets bills, the £200 I spend on meat and food every week, see that I am not making £££££ but putting everything back into the care and welfare of my pack! The actions of a few bring into question the accuracy of any information on this site. I take immense offence to the comments that have been made about me and can prove they are lies so REMEMBER putting incorrect, miss-leading hateful remarks and lies on public forums like this will lead to prosecution an these ones being sued!! I am watching very carefully certain ones who have for unknown reasons taken to libel and slander, MARK MY WORDS I will sue you if you continue, YOU know who you are. I am doing nothing wrong, but certain ones actions here are illegal. Thank you Paul Collins. ORKWOLF