Breeders willing to sell pups to the UK?

[tikaani]

all this price talking is all well and good but the fact is unless there are breeders out there willing to sell pups to the UK the pricing of pups abroad is redundent.. so untill people are willing to sell pups to the uk, prices will be high here and crossings will unfortunatly carry on. when you do decide to sell over here, please let me know,as ill buy one.......

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by tikaani

all this price talking is all well and good but the fact is unless there are breeders out there willing to sell pups to the UK the pricing of pups abroad is redundent.. so untill people are willing to sell pups to the uk, prices will be high here and crossings will unfortunatly carry on. when you do decide to sell over here, please let me know,as ill buy one.......

Te prices have nothing to do with making mixes or not, its about honesty and seriously. Who make mixes want nothing with selection or even with the breed, I dont think a person like that could be so called breeder still, breeder is the one who select the breed, who make mixes like is done in UK only want sold and earn money with the "breeding" of "wolves" then those mixes have no sense at all.
When already have pure females in the UK still nothing impeach the breeder to travel from abroard and mate those female bringing new blood for the countrie.

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Te prices have nothing to do with making mixes or not, its about honesty and seriously. Who make mixes want nothing with selection or even with the breed, I dont think a person like that could be so called breeder still, breeder is the one who select the breed, who make mixes like is done in UK only want sold and earn money with the "breeding" of "wolves" then those mixes have no sense at all.
When already have pure females in the UK still nothing impeach the breeder to travel from abroard and mate those female bringing new blood for the countrie.

well personaly i would want a new one as a part of the family, but yes i would use him to breed with my kaya at least once. taking a femail abroad to breed i think wouldnt bring in new blood anyway as the pups wouldnt be able to breed with the dogs already over here as they would still be relatives,,,

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by tikaani

well personaly i would want a new one as a part of the family, but yes i would use him to breed with my kaya at least once. taking a femail abroad to breed i think wouldnt bring in new blood anyway as the pups wouldnt be able to breed with the dogs already over here as they would still be relatives,,,

Unless if all dogs in your country be relactives, if you mate your female with a outside male, owners of those puppies will be able to use those dogs with the already existent dogs in UK that comes from different line, without the fear to make too close mate, its future sight, futurelly this one litter can make all difference.
The question is, how many dogs you have on UK with different blood? I dont think many, so it means that without doubts, or all the owners of the females travel for mate ever with different males, or you will need soon some new imports.
For import we will find some problems.
First of all buy dogs is not like buy carrots, I would really untrusth breeders who accept very easy send dogs to me when I live far away and nobody knows me, dont know if I'm good owner or what I will do with the puppie, if they acept it in such easy way, its because have something wrong, its pretty common when you talk with people who had import dogs, they complain about the low quality of the puppies that was sended for they, unhapply its not only in CzW.
A serious breeder who have a interessing litter with interessing blood difficultly will want send those puppies for far away, their work as their line is pretty precious for expose to the risk of lost one of those puppies because the owner of the "far away place" had "disappear", I mean, no contact, nor even how to see the developement of the dog.
And, another huge problem is the formed sight of untrust in the UK breeders because of what already happened, a serious person will never send a puppie for a place were they nor even knows if this puppie will be used for make mixes, it will really complicate your life for import a good dog, even if you're a good owner who never had tough about make mixes.

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Unless if all dogs in your country be relactives, if you mate your female with a outside male, owners of those puppies will be able to use those dogs with the already existent dogs in UK that comes from different line, without the fear to make too close mate, its future sight, futurelly this one litter can make all difference.
The question is, how many dogs you have on UK with different blood? I dont think many, so it means that without doubts, or all the owners of the females travel for mate ever with different males, or you will need soon some new imports.
For import we will find some problems.
First of all buy dogs is not like buy carrots, I would really untrusth breeders who accept very easy send dogs to me when I live far away and nobody knows me, dont know if I'm good owner or what I will do with the puppie, if they acept it in such easy way, its because have something wrong, its pretty common when you talk with people who had import dogs, they complain about the low quality of the puppies that was sended for they, unhapply its not only in CzW.
A serious breeder who have a interessing litter with interessing blood difficultly will want send those puppies for far away, their work as their line is pretty precious for expose to the risk of lost one of those puppies because the owner of the "far away place" had "disappear", I mean, no contact, nor even how to see the developement of the dog.
And, another huge problem is the formed sight of untrust in the UK breeders because of what already happened, a serious person will never send a puppie for a place were they nor even knows if this puppie will be used for make mixes, it will really complicate your life for import a good dog, even if you're a good owner who never had tough about make mixes.

im not sure but i think there is no more thene 3 or 4 blood lines here so all young dogs and pups are related.. as iv sead before though im not interested in big breading with my dogs,, kaya is to young at the mo to breed so id like a male pup so in a few years when his old inuff they can mate,,,,if i brought her over there to breed itll be anuther year befor i could, and then theres no garenty that she will have pups, then id have to find homes for all the uther pups if she did, lot of time and ifs or buts just to get a nuther freind for kaya, if i cant get a male for her i will in the end do this as i dont want to cross her when i do decide to breed her.. If people dont want to send a pup over here becouse they are afraid some one might cross them, well if some one took a femail over there to get pregnant then they could just cross the pups later on. i am always willing to travel and meet the dogs owners and the pups parent, infact id insist on it as id like to see what the temperment of the pups parents are like and condition, and then to pick it up, im also willing to sighn any paperwok stating that id never cross the pup later on....

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by tikaani

If people dont want to send a pup over here becouse they are afraid some one might cross them,

... than they could sign an official asignment So that a breeder in UK will never mate his newly bought CsV for not purebred puppies or puppies wthout pedigree

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by tikaani

im not sure but i think there is no more thene 3 or 4 blood lines here so all young dogs and pups are related.. as iv sead before though im not interested in big breading with my dogs,, kaya is to young at the mo to breed so id like a male pup so in a few years when his old inuff they can mate,,,,if i brought her over there to breed itll be anuther year befor i could, and then theres no garenty that she will have pups, then id have to find homes for all the uther pups if she did, lot of time and ifs or buts just to get a nuther freind for kaya, if i cant get a male for her i will in the end do this as i dont want to cross her when i do decide to breed her.. If people dont want to send a pup over here becouse they are afraid some one might cross them, well if some one took a femail over there to get pregnant then they could just cross the pups later on. i am always willing to travel and meet the dogs owners and the pups parent, infact id insist on it as id like to see what the temperment of the pups parents are like and condition, and then to pick it up, im also willing to sighn any paperwok stating that id never cross the pup later on....

If you dont see problems in travel, I think the best thing you can do is take time and vizit a summer camp that happen all years in Slovakia, Poland and Czech Republic, there you will be able to meet some different wolfdogs as breeders, also will be able to see bonitations and some exams like SVP's, ever you will find someone who talk english there so the language will not be a real problem, and the best, if the UK rules allow ( no need quarantaine or special exams), you can even comes back with your puppie.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Navarre, you write good text, but there is one thing i want to comment:

"neither pay the mate, as the male is of his own."

For this i must say my opinion, that to keep your "own male" is not free.
If you use male owned by somebody else, you do not have to pay food, insurances, shows, bonitations, x-rays, only mating payment.
If male is owned by you, you have to buy it as a puppy (or adult), you have to pay all costs from it during it's lifetime, and you have to take care about it every day. So, to use own male is not so cheap. And very often in countries where is not so many dogs in the breed, there will be no use for many breedings for same male, which is good in fact. (no matador breeding)

-Suski

Sure, if you think about a dog as a part of "bussiness"
But if I had a female and a male dog, fist of all they are my friends, my companions, someone, who sleeps in my bed (ok ok, I know it is not good, but I like my dog, sleeping close to me), and if there is a man, who says "do you really think it is a place for a dog to sleep in your bed" I can only say "please find another to sleep in )
So in fact mating one's own dogs is cheaper (teorically)

In my situation i am still waiting while Brukne will start to "want to get married" but I know I will give two puppies for free and one for a symbolic price - because I know these people are the ones, that will give their best for their dogs. I have another ways to earn money, so...