CzW ownership in Sweden

[JacobH]

Hello !!
I found out about this breed about a year ago now and I was completely stunned with its looks and all the great stories about their intelligence and all sorts of things (not so stunned by some doggs destructvie behaviour though = ) So well i contacted the Swedish Kennel Clubs to ask some quesions. They said that i couldnt register a CzW in the Kennel CLub and also said they were probably illegal because they were hybrids. I got pretty pissed cause the persons attitude got really bad as sonn as I mentioned the CsW. I was really dissapointed cause this is the kind of dog i always wanted. So the next day i called up Jordbruksverket ( sort of an athority dont konw what its called in english though) and asked the same quetions. They told me that they are legal and for a dog to be a "wolfhybrid" there has to be wolfblood in the last 4 generations. She was really nice and even mailed me the papaerwork required for importing a CsW. So when I´m moving back home (live in New Zealand right now) i will probaly get a dog, always loved them but my dad is an allergic so= (. so here to the questions !!

Does anyone konw about any CsW in sweden ?

Would it be wiser to start out with another breed of dog ( i like other dogs too so = ) to gain some experience before make friends with one of these beautyful dogs ?

Also is it possible to compare the CsW with any other breed, things like behaviour and maybe hoe hard it is to raise, for example is it as troubely as some Pitbulls (after what i´ve heard and read so no offence) or does this differ from each individual?

Kind regards
Jacob

[Wolfsirius]

Hello,

I live in Finland, and i am breeder of Ceskoslovensky and a Saarloos Wolfhond. I am wondering comment you get from agricultur ministry about ceskoslovensky in Sweden, cause about a month ago they said to my friend that it is illegal. And our kennelclub said same, as i asked about to going dogshows in Sweden with my wolfdogs. it has been said that
saarloos and ceskoslovensky are forbidden in Sweden as a breeds,
not as an hybrids.
like example Fila Brasileiro and Pit Bulls are forbidden in Norway.
(I have Fila too, so i know) If you have some info as "blackon white" i would like to know a person who gave it to you, and contact it personally, cause to get with wolfdogs in Sweden would be very nice for us too. Can you tell me who was the person you speak with?

Kind regards; Suski, Kennel WolfSirius, Finland

[fenris]

It is not illeagal to have a CW or a SWH in Sweden, but the Kennel Club doesnt register it. Since the Kennel Club organize the shows I guess it cannot be exposed at a show in Sweden. Even US-wolfdogs (unregistred) are in Sweden.

Fenris.

[Minna]

Hi Jacob

I would recommend you to begin with another breed than CsV. In Sweden there is widespread prejudice against CsVs as we all know all too well. So, if you really like a breed; don’t take one before you have more experience with dogs generally. It is no good for a CsV Breed if you get into trouble with you CsV in Sweden. First dog’s owners always make mistakes and cause problems and if your dog happens to be a CsV people will be judging you and you dog much harder than they would if you dog were one of another breed. You cannot compare a CsV and Pitbull , they are so completely different breeds. CsV is very “original” breed and these dogs are behaving very “naturally” in canine way, and well, I would say that a pitbull is the opposite – a very manmade creature that has not much left of its canine origin.

Minna

[JacobH]

Thanks for your replies !
First of to Suski. I think what Fenris says is the case, atleast i know that they aren´t illegal. Sorry but i don´t remember the persons name. I might have it stored in my old computer, but it´s back in Sweden so i can´t get it until June=(

Minna, thanks for your information. I totally agree with you about starting out with an "easier" breed. It wouldn´t only be the best thing for me but also for the dog so that i could care for it properly and give it proper training. Do wolfdogs work well wih "polarbears" such as Malamutes or Elkhounds? or is that also a matter of individualism. Kind a like those breeds as well. Huskies and malamutes are common over here in NZ so i run in to those pretty often and I recently saw two elkhound pups, never heard of them before, so i looked tehm up. Also really beautiful dogs !

I didn´t mean if you could compare them as dogs= ) what I meant was, si it as hard to raise and train a CzW as some and socialize Pitbulls or Dobermanns or whatever(just an example)? or instead let me but it tjis way, is it comparable to any other breed in mathers such as training and socializing ?

Also is there any good books i can read about their behaviour and how i should treat and train a Czw ?

I guess thats what i really like about th CzWs, as you said, their natural apperance. In my eyes they´re the ideal dog and all the stories about their intelligence and personalities just facinates me. I also saw some movieclips from a breeder in Poland. Beautiful !

Again, thanks for your replies
Jacob

[fenris]

I understand you quite well Jacob. Huskies, Malamutes and wolfdogs do have similar qualities. They all look natural and original. One of the problemes with wolfdogs in Sweden will be the dense population of "wild game" in that region. It can be difficult to suppress the hunting instincs in a wolfdog. Even if the dog gets used to domestic animals, they can change in a moment when running off-leash in the woods.

Although as a first-dog owner you would not have to be re-learned as many other dogowners must be when aquiring a wolfdog. Read, learn, visit serious wolfdogowner and take the challange. But take 2, not only 1. What about a shepherd and a CW.

I asked a question about using a wired muzzle on this forum without any replies. I use a wired muzzle on my dog when he is running off-leash in elk, reindeer, moose areas. Even if the dog is well trained it will never be safe among "wild game".

Fenris

[JacobH]

Thank You Fenris

Yeah we seem to have about the same Ideals about dogs !

Yes Wildgame, well in Sweden i live as far down South as possible so I would have to leave my county and go to for example Halland to see anything else than Wildboars and Deer. So ther´s no elk or moose. but then i would reallly enjoy some wood hiking up north with my dog or dogs and to get to the really big woods i have to go a bit up north in the country where there are big game. So thanks for pointing this out for, i hadn´t thought about that at all

I´ve seen some people using a muzzle on their dogs all the time when they go which i don´t like and woud never do to my own dog, but in this case when the dog is running around freely around animals which they actually see as potential food (or, am i wrong) i actually agree with you on the Muzzle. Also i think if a dog would kill for example a boar or a deer in Sweden it would get in deep trouble. I´m gonna look in to laws and stuff regarding that.

And about having 2 dogs, thats why i asked if CzWs go good along with for example a Elkhound or a malamute.

Also came up with a pretty intresting question with the whole thing with letting your CzW of leash in the woods. What would happen if it would run into a Wolf or a Pack of Wolves? Would the wolves attack ? If they wouldn´t attack will my CzW change somehow mentally by seeing "real" wolves or meeting them ? Maybe a stupid question but i think it kind a interesting, but I barely know anything about dogs just yet so.

Also how many wolfdoggenertaions have passed since the last pure wolf was in teh "breedingline"?

Thanks
Jacob

[fenris]

I have had both huskies and wolfdogs. The huskies are much more zealous hunters than the wolfdogs. The huskies do not conserve their energy in contrary to the rationalism of the wolfdogs that restrict the effort they put in the hunting. Huskies can run at speed for hours. The wolfdogs prefer to stay in contact with their owners.

A wolfdog will not run off-leash in the woods on its own. You should alway keep your dog in a communicating distance. As long as being around its owner wolves will not be a threat to your dogs. Hunting dogs that runs for hours away from their owner (practised in norway and sweden) with tails up (domination sign) and barking will be attacked by wolves, -killed.

I met a wolf once. It was a single wolf. It was afraid of my dogs and run away from them (with my dogs running behind for a short distance).
I have seen tracks of wolves when running with my dogs, but they keep distance and out of sight.

Fenris

[JacobH]

Okay. Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.
Ofcourse i understand that will have to keep a short distance and have my eyes on the dog but i meant what if the dog picks up the scent of fo example a moose and takes off ? and i now realise that was sort of stupid anyway, cause if my dog wont obey me when i call it back ofcourse i can´t keep it off lease so.


But again thanks for your reply.

[Latte]

Hi there..

I woundering if anyone now how to get this breed over the border in the most safty way.. The breed is probleby illegal in my country, but if I would like to have one anyway, is there anyone who nows that this has hapend and how they did it??

How to get a CzW puppy over the border from one coutry to another by car and not get court??


// Sebastian

[mijke]

Of course I don't know wich country borders you want to pass or if this dog is illegal in your country.
I passed without any problems several european borders with my CzW puppy (in my country a CsW is also not illegal )

Originally Posted by Latte

How to get a CzW puppy over the border from one coutry to another by car and not get court??

Several times I passed borders by car with a puppy (CzW or other breed) The most important thing is to have papers of the right vacinations (for example rabies) and a health certificate of a vetinarian.

And I took care a pup was very tired before passing the border
So a pup was always sleeping under a blanket when we passed. And I never showed his papers when they did not ask for it

greetings,
mijke

[Wolfsirius]

I guess, it's Sweden, and only problem with Sweden is not the breed,
but bigger problem is rabies test which you need for every dog, cause sweden is rabies free country, and this will take it's time (dog will be about 6-7 months old) before can take to sweden. And from any country, you even can't take puppy with test results directly there, from some countries it must stay 6 months at some other, (ex. puppy import from Italy, stayed 6 months at Denmark before went to Sweden)

Suski, FINLAND

[Latte]

Hi Mijke,

Thank you for your answer, I have talked to some breeders in Europe, even those whit another breed. And they say approximately the same thing.. Make the puppy a little bit tiered and assure that you have all the papers if the time comes and if you have to show them, but most of the time it proceeds without any problems.. You can just pass the border..
I have got the same answer from many breeders now.. Thank you..


Hello Suski,

Thank you for your answer, you may say that you almost got me there.. You detective there.. *Smile* But in fact I haven't reach my computer in a couple of days so my friend had to use it and he asked the question for me so a could hope that someone had answered when I finally reach it.. And see, I did.. Thank you..
And I think this was the answer you gave me the last time we talked, I just had to find out what other breeders thought about this to take a puppy to a country were it is illegal to have this breed, but the person really wants this breed anyway.. Simply what chances he have to get one.. What I can see, no one now's if this breed really are illegal or not in my country, some say it's ok and some otherwise.. So maybe the only way is to do it illegal.. I just don't see another way here..

// L

[Wolfsirius]

Hello,
i guess, this will be good info for eveyone, Csv is LEAGAL momentally in sweden. (i get mail today from ministry in Sweden) It is true, that you can took it there. What is just unsure yet, is what say svenska kennelclub for showing or breeding. But, you can take csV over the border leagally. It's not easy with this breed cause rabies tests, but...LEAGAL!

Suski

[Wolfsirius]

Hello,
We asked about "wolfdogs" from Swedish Kennelclub, and here is answer directly copied;

Hej
> SKK har såväl utställnings- som tävlings- och
> registeringsförbud för
> ceskoslovensky vlcak och saarloos wolfhond.
>
> Vänliga hälsningar
> Ulla-Britt Karlmann
> SKKs Reg.avd

So, CsV and SwH have NO rights for register, showing, or any competition in Sweden. It would be interest to see how this all will manage, in WDS 2008 in SWEDEN.

-Suski, Finland

[JacobH]

Yes thats the way it is.. sad but true..
SKK .. what a joke

[Huan]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

So, CsV and SwH have NO rights for register, showing, or any competition in Sweden. It would be interest to see how this all will manage, in WDS 2008 in SWEDEN.

We also are thinking about it. Do they dare to not allow us to show our dogs? If they do not allow all FCI breeds to be showed on the shows they should in no way hold such important event as World Dog Show. We will have to ask Swedish Kennel Club later what do they plan to do with this.

If they really will make it impossible for CzWs and SWHs to apply for WDS we will all have to take some action - I think a petition sent to FCI officials and show organizers shouldn't go without answers.

[Mikael]

Hello all Wolfdog frends !

I that it was up to me to wright someting about CsV in Sweden, sens i live
in Sweden whit one, Taabernakkelin Hronec sens 2007.

Import a SWH and CvS You have benabel to do sens sometime in 2004 I think but you culd not regestrait them in the Swedish Kennel Club.

But sens 29 of mars 2007 SWH and CsV are permited in the Swedish Kennel Club if thy are generation F5 or more.

And sens 1 jan 2008 you can compeat about nationall certification.
That probubley has someting to do whit that WDS-08 is knocking at the door

Best of luck to you all on WDS-08 / Mikael Wolfdog.se

[Mikael]

I just resiwed very happy news, for us in Sweden

One more CsV is on the way to the cold north, in the beginning of 2009...
To very good and responsible owners whit long dog experience and kennel

Very best regards / Mikael