My Worst Nightmare

yukidomari · 15-02-2013, 05:00

at the firm i'm at, i can ask one of our satellite UK attorneys if they've got advice or can give you a friendly referral or so.

at the least if you can't get your property (dog) back, you can at least get what you're due money-wise back. maybe she can be required to show proof of payment in form of bank stub, money transfer or so.. by that i mean lack of such.

Rona · 15-02-2013, 09:14

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

at the least if you can't get your property (dog) back, you can at least get what you're due money-wise back. maybe she can be required to show proof of payment in form of bank stub, money transfer or so.. by that i mean lack of such.

Were there any penalty clauses in the contract, Christine?

It would be good if somebody (a lawyer?) posted a draft of a model contract in which owners like Tessa B. would find it cheaper to return the dog than face the court and risk paying e.g. 20.000 GBP compensation

Shadowlands · 15-02-2013, 10:30

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Were there any penalty clauses in the contract, Christine?

Sadly not

As I said before, a lot of lessons have been learnt the hard way... I will not be so naive and trusting in future.

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Originally Posted by Rona

It would be good if somebody (a lawyer?) posted a draft of a model contract in which owners like Tessa B. would find it cheaper to return the dog than face the court and risk paying e.g. 20.000 GBP compensation

That would be wonderful if it were possible (would any of your contacts be able to advise on this, Yukidomari?)

Tassle · 16-02-2013, 16:03

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Sadly not

As I said before, a lot of lessons have been learnt the hard way... I will not be so naive and trusting in future.

So sad that your trust was so abused. Hopefully a lesson other breeders can learn from as well

(((hugs)))

pixie · 26-02-2013, 16:12

Is there any news on whats happening yet

Shadowlands · 27-02-2013, 15:13

Nothing I can report on, Pixie. Don't worry, as soon as anything happens - you'll all know (whatever that may be...)

Tassle · 22-03-2013, 14:44

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Nothing I can report on, Pixie. Don't worry, as soon as anything happens - you'll all know (whatever that may be...)

Still got all fingers crossed for you and Braveheart.

Tazer · 03-05-2013, 12:23

So, if this dog has such an atrocious temperament, has been and still is? Such hard work, what ethical person would consider breeding from him and risk passing the traits on? After all, temperament isn't all environment.
I own a dog of the live stock guarding type known to be stubborn, independent and obviously guardy, he'll guard when let off lead, he's turning into a proficient watchdog... Research told me he was unlikely to behave like a stereotypical Labrador and that's not what I wanted.
Even the most basic breed descriptions of the CSV, makes a point of stating that they can be challenging, and males especially, so frankly, I don't know what else was expected?
Perhaps there was an underestimation of the level of challenge and perhaps the breeder believed that wasn't the case, at least the breeder is trying to fix the error.

Taz

Shoshone · 03-05-2013, 14:26

I own a number of csv's including Moon and as i emailed the breeder and TOLD HER CLEARLY Moon is HD tested and he has a very good score.

Tassle · 03-05-2013, 14:35

So all these temperament issues that you yourself have stated he had, and his previous owner said he had mean nothing? As long as he has good hips??

Either a) you are both exaggerating his behaviour - or b) you care nothing for temperament in your breeding program.

Rona · 03-05-2013, 14:55

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I own a number of csv's including Moon and as i emailed the breeder and TOLD HER CLEARLY Moon is HD tested and he has a very good score.

Is the good HD result your ONLY prerequisite for using a dog for breeding???

What about its compatibility with the standard re the dog's appearance and temperament?

Not to mention such trifle as the dog reaching maturity - no good breeder would breed on a pup and proclaim a one year old dog a stud!

Until the breed is oficially recognized, breeding Czechoslovakian vlcaks in the UK is impossible. Production of wolf-like looking pups for money has nothing to do with breeding! No dog born in England can obtain a CSV pedigree and later be used in ethical, proper breeding in UK, nor abroad!

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yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	at the firm i'm at, i can ask one of our satellite UK attorneys if they've got advice or can give you a friendly referral or so. at the least if you can't get your property (dog) back, you can at least get what you're due money-wise back. maybe she can be required to show proof of payment in form of bank stub, money transfer or so.. by that i mean lack of such. __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/

03-05-2013, 12:23	#8
Tazer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 77	So, if this dog has such an atrocious temperament, has been and still is? Such hard work, what ethical person would consider breeding from him and risk passing the traits on? After all, temperament isn't all environment. I own a dog of the live stock guarding type known to be stubborn, independent and obviously guardy, he'll guard when let off lead, he's turning into a proficient watchdog... Research told me he was unlikely to behave like a stereotypical Labrador and that's not what I wanted. Even the most basic breed descriptions of the CSV, makes a point of stating that they can be challenging, and males especially, so frankly, I don't know what else was expected? Perhaps there was an underestimation of the level of challenge and perhaps the breeder believed that wasn't the case, at least the breeder is trying to fix the error. Taz __________________ Never argue with idiots. they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

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Shoshone Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Devon uk Posts: 5	Moon I own a number of csv's including Moon and as i emailed the breeder and TOLD HER CLEARLY Moon is HD tested and he has a very good score.

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26-02-2013, 16:12	#5
pixie Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 89	Is there any news on whats happening yet

27-02-2013, 15:13	#6
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Nothing I can report on, Pixie. Don't worry, as soon as anything happens - you'll all know (whatever that may be...)

03-05-2013, 14:35	#10
Tassle Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall Posts: 137	So all these temperament issues that you yourself have stated he had, and his previous owner said he had mean nothing? As long as he has good hips?? Either a) you are both exaggerating his behaviour - or b) you care nothing for temperament in your breeding program.