Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs-Australia

Ina, you've allowed the possibility that they're pure. Now from what you're saying, the Dunnernthal breeder may not be very reputable. But that's not any evidence to say that my dogs aren't pure, and so far no one has provided evidence, everyone's opinions have just been based on speculations about the breeder.

I just like to point out that Czw here in Australia aren't being used to establish the breed. The breeder probably isn't going to be breeding again. But what these czw have done, is develope a wide interest and admiration in the breed. I even know people who are now considering importing czws, as they can no longer buy any in Australia. The most damaging thing to the breed in Australia, has been the attitudes on this thread, rather than any constructive comments, it has been an attack on the Australian breeder. I'm very greatful for the expense that the Australian breeder has gone to, to bring these beautiful dogs here, and I'm disappointed in the unfair criticism on these forums.

As I said the intention wasn't to establish the breed here, I'd like to remind you it would be impossible to establish a breed fully in a new country with only one breeding pair. But what has been done is establish wonderful ambassadors for the breed, for when people do import and establish a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog kennel here.


Ligerwolve, you appear to be forgetting who started this thread. I did.
The title is Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs Australia. It is in no way related to my dogs in particular, I started this thread long before they were born. Therefore my dogs aren't the point of discussion of this thread, sorry I decided the point of discussion here, not you.

You claim to of owned a "wolfdog" that has "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog" in it and called her a "Czechoslovakian Shepherd". Given my title, your dog is most definitely able to be questioned here. Where's the papers? Where's the photos? Where's the genetic test results? I want to see the proof of Czw in them.

Sorry, your attempts to deflect my questions won't work here anymore.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Wolves

Ina, you've allowed the possibility that they're pure.

But also equally (if not more?) possibility that they're not?

Look, I don't live in Australia, I don't even breed, and since you say your pair is sterilized anyway, it really doesn't matter, but logically speaking when reading this interesting thread, how can they be 'wonderful ambassadors' for the breed when it seems likely the dogs were irresponsibly bred, recorded, and only may (or may not) be purebred?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

By the way, the correct translation of vlciak is not wolfdog.

The important thing is that you can never say if the dog is pure or not as both Raven Spirit and Homberger have lied more than said the truth in the past. And have very often sold mixes as pures. Fact is you will never know as describing them as being not very reputable does only show that you are not able to understand the point of breeding.
To be an ambassador for that breed it would at least have to be a member of the breed and we all can only hope that future importers and breeders care more about where to get their dogs from and aren´t ambassadored in do it the same way.

It´s useless to continue this discussion as you are not able to understand what several people tried to explain. I can only hope that people that got interested and might have a look here learn out of it not to buy the first dog available and ask some of the very important questions about papers, health and kennel controls and not in the least breeding lines. In this way this thread can be of great benefit.

Ina

"By the way, the correct translation of vlciak is not wolfdog." What does that have to do with this conversation?

You have clearly misunderstood what I've been saying.
"Fact is you will never know as describing them as being not very reputable does only show that you are not able to understand the point of breeding." I was trying to be reasonable and see your point of view, I don't see how you're trying to use that against me....?

Yukidomari, how are the dogs irresponsibly bred, ligerwolve has been saying that without evidence and she clearly has no credibility what so ever. The breeder of my pups wouldn't even talk to her.

Registration is a piece of paper, if the dog is purebred, it's a czechoslovakian wolfdog, registered or not. I understand that the FCI attempts to control breeding, but just because a breeder is not registered does not mean they're not responsible by any means. There is no evidence to suggest my dogs aren't pure, MOST LIKELY they are pure, and are the only ones in Australia. They have received nothing but admiration from members of the public and have sparked a lot of interest in the breed. That surely would qualify them as excellent ambassadors. They are representing the breed here wether you like or not.

Again I will say. You're making claims without evidence. I don't know if you understand here, every argument you've put forward is based on gossip and hearsay. There is no evidence, we have a pedigree that shows they're pure, are you claiming that is fraudulent? Let me remind you that in many countries, especially Australia, if you make claims like that without evidence, you could prosecuted for defamation.

[yukidomari]

Actually, I wasn't referencing Ligrewolves' comments at all. I was actually talking about the links that Michael and Ina Eichhorn posted about the Dünnerntal dog & others which don't seem to be responsibly bred at all.. And actually, yes, non-registration of a litter does to a certain extent mean a breeder is not responsible, since most purebred dogs are not existing in nature (excluding some, very few landrace breeds of which Czechoslovakian Vlcaks are not) - they are bred by humans and exist only because of that, and accurate record keeping is paramount to their preservation.

And, if a breeder doesn't care about that, then I can hardly call them responsible.

I was originally talking about wether my dogs were pure or not. I was not talking about the responsibility of breeding. However I will say that organisations are merely a bureaucracy that attempts to control breeding but can not guarantee that breeders registered with them are breeding responsibly.

[Ligerwolve2]

My credability is just fine thanks Oh and actually that breeder did speak to me, and other people up untill health tests were brought up.

She isnt a CzW so nope Why dont you try worrying about your credability.

As far as I can see there is enough to "suggest" they are crosses. Especially since the breeder HIMSELF said so about the male. Which in turn means yours. If you wanted "pure" CzWs you should have waited and done some research.

If no health tests have been done the chance of illness is much much higher. If that happens how can they possibly be "wonderful ambassadors"? Yes they will stir up interest. Which is why the best examples would have been better. Healthy, good temp dogs would get alot more attention. If they end up in shelters it will actually go against them. Thats why its wise to be careful who you sell to.

I actually think you know very little of what goes on with registered dogs. You dont just send off for a peice of paper

No you're credibility isn't fine, and the fact you think it is, is quite hilarious to be honest. Firstly you claimed the mother of my dogs was in doubt, which means you made no effort at all to check the pedigree, even though it's been up there for years now.

YOU CLAIM YOUR DOG HAD CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOG IN IT, which you thought gave you the right to call her a wolfdog, but it's a complete lie anyway and you know it. It's my thread, I'll ask whatever questions I like. You don't decide what's talked about and what isn't talked about here.

YOUR ATTEMPTS TO DEFLECT MY QUESTIONS WON'T WORK HERE ANYMORE.

"Healthy, good temp dogs would get alot more attention" So you've seen my dogs and know about their health and temperament do you? You have absolutely no clue about my dogs. Thanks for showing your ignorance again. See I don't make insults without reason, anyone just needs to go back and read what you've said to see fine examples of someone who arrogant, ignorant and immature. Stop trying to sound as if you know what you're talking about, it's not doing any good for your "credibility".