Tamaskan CsW crossing

[Czertice]

From what I understand, they are trying to create a breed that looks like a wolf, but has the temperament of labrador. A dog for all the people who love wolves, but are not prepared to deal with one in their own house. A dog for all those unhappy/uninformed people who obtain a real wolfdog only to find he is NOT a poodle.

Right now they are at the stage of a wide range of crosses of saarloos, csw, husky, american wolfdog, malamute and whatnot. The temperaments differ accordingly. Those dogs are inbred already, there is no other option than outcrossing or letting yet another wolf-lookalike experiment fail.

There are CSWs mixed in northern sledding breeds already, but I don't see CSW breeders fainting in horror at the impurity of such mixing. Why? Because no one puts up notices of such matings on internet.

Seeing how many such experiments of creating a wolfy dog already happened, we should be glad that there is one underway which is open about the founding animals and shares information with the public. If they succeed in their goal, i suppose there won't be as many people willing to cross CSWs to create the mythical wolfdog without the wolf.

[Puma]

First of all, it has not been 'open', the breeder didnot inform the NVTW, the Dutch Czechsolovakian Wolfdog association, at which the breeder is registered. So 'open' is not that open.

Second, being 'open' doesn't mean being right, is it?

A criminal act in public, is still a criminal act, just to put it in perspective.

To me this is not so mich about the intentions of the Tamaskan side, but all about the intentions of the CSW breeder. And her intentions are purely commercial: making money.

[miran]

Originally Posted by Puma

To me this is not so mich about the intentions of the Tamaskan side, but all about the intentions of the CSW breeder. And her intentions are purely commercial: making money.

Even when you know ( and this breeder also know that) that these mating will not happen when there aren't enough people on the list for the pups?

[Puma]

Originally Posted by miran

Even when you know ( and this breeder also know that) that these mating will not happen when there aren't enough people on the list for the pups?

Especially when the mating will only happen with enough people on the list. That confirms the commercial goal, doesn't it?

[miran]

Originally Posted by Puma

Especially when the mating will only happen with enough people on the list. That confirms the commercial goal, doesn't it?

Not in my eyes. Because if it was a commercial goal( beside that in my opinion every nest is even from 1 that just had 1 in there life because no breeder give their pups away fro free ) than you would have this nest no matter what
Than you do not care about if people are interested in an outcross pup or not. And than also you sell them as the same price as a tamaskan and not a reduced price because they are outcross and needs to be evaluated on an later age etc etc.
But of course it is just the way someone can look at it and all have the right of a different opinion....But when all is out in the open( so being done honestly and we all know that lots of people in every breed even do that) and they thought about what and how sorry than I can not see that the main goal is commercial but than I only think that I wish all breeders would think about that so no pup have to leave there nest when they are already months old or like some others have in their short lives different houses already because they where leftover form a litter so people just took them because they felt sorry But like I say just my opinion and you do not have to share that

[Puma]

Miran,

Do you know this breeder? I do.

Lots of experiences, which I won't mention here.

Your comment about not giving away pups for free, as a statement as if each breeder is commercially driven, makes of course no sense at all. Thankfully there are breeders with the passion and love for the animals and the breed, who break even or even lose out some money and there are breeders, whose sole intention is to make money and use the breed for doing so.

I know who is in which category.

[miran]

Last comment indeed make no sense on the subject but that is just my personal opinion about all breeding bad or good mixes or pure etc
For other I send you a pm