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24-02-2012, 11:36
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Imported Breed Register Policy 1. Applications for recognition of breeds The Committee will consider an application for recognition of a breed once there are specimens of it resident in the UK and the dog(s) are imported from a country either having a Kennel Club with which there is a reciprocal agreement or which has full membership of the F.C.I. or where there is a Breed Club maintaining a Stud Book and acceptable to the Kennel Club. Application for recognition and subsequent registration should be made in the first instance to the Breed Standards and Stud Book Sub-Committee. In general, an application should consist of:
Recognition of a breed allows registration on the Imported Breeds Register, although the breed would not be eligible for exhibition until such time as an Interim Breed Standard is published. This is not considered at the same time as recognition, as it is the Kennel Club’s policy to allow the breed to develop slowly before show participation is permitted. Importers of new breeds are encouraged to form a provisional breed club, registration of which can be applied for once a certain nucleus of the breed has been established in the UK. 2. Eligibility for competition Immediately the dog is accepted on the Imported Breed Register it can be entered and compete in Kennel Club Working Trials, Obedience, Agility and Flyball competitions. These dogs are also permitted to make ‘not for competition’ entries at shows. Entry and competition at other Kennel Club licensed events for dogs on the Imported Breed Register is limited to Imported Breed Register classes, matches and exemption dog shows, and then only after an Interim Breed Standard has been approved by the Committee and PUBLISHED in the Kennel Gazette. Winners of Imported Breed Register classes are not eligible for group or best in show competition. Immediately a breed is accepted on the Imported Breed Register, a dog of that breed can be entered and compete in Kennel Club Gundog Working Tests. Competition in Field Trials is subject to General Committee approval. 3. Production of an Interim Breed Standard When there are at least ten dogs of the breed on the Imported Breed Register an application for the production of an Interim Breed Standard may be submitted for consideration by the Committee. Such application should include:
4. Breed Club registration Supporters of a new imported breed will be encouraged to register a breed club which will be designated as a PROVISIONAL breed club. Only one per breed will be allowed and the club will only become fully registered if the breed is transferred from the Imported Breed Register to the Breed Register. Once a provisional breed club has been registered it may schedule one match competition per year but only as an internal club match or with another registered provisional breed club. The breeds eligible to compete would be only those breeds included within the title of the club(s) involved. 5. Transfer of a breed from the Imported Breed Register to the Breed Register A breed will remain on the Imported Breed Register until it is considered sufficiently well established to move to the Breed Register. An application for transfer to the Breed Register would include:
Kennel Club Regulation B3 defines the Imported Breed Register as follows: The Imported Breed Register a. The General Committee may accept for entry in the Imported Breed Register an imported dog of a previously unrecognised breed if the dog is imported from a country either having a Kennel Club with which there is a reciprocal agreement or which has full membership of the FCI or where there is a Breed Club maintaining a Stud Book and acceptable to The Kennel Club. b. A breed given Imported Breed Register status may be transferred to the Breed Register at a later date at the discretion of the General Committee. Applications to transfer a breed from the Imported Breed Register to the Breed Register should be made to the General Committee by the appropriate Breed Club in accordance with the guidelines most recently published. c. Foreign breeds, previously eligible for entry on the Breed Register will be transferred to the Imported Breed Register in accordance with Regulation B1b where there has been no registration activity for 10 years. d. Breeds on the Imported Breed Register will be de-classified if there has been no registration activity within the breed over a ten year period. NOTE: It must be emphasised that only when a breed has been transferred to the Breed Register may dogs in the breed be entered in breed classes at shows. If ten years elapse without any new registration on the Imported Breed Register the breed will be deleted from this register. |
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24-02-2012, 12:21
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Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain has been an established group since 2011
We thank ‘wolf dog.org’ for giving the club chance to reply to the remarks made here. We would like to inform readers that this tread on Wolfdog.org is one sided and only the opinion from members of the other group. The members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ are in the main non owners of newly imported dogs for example Shadowlands , Rona and others are all breeders / wolf dog org moderators / admins. The founders of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ ;- Patryk [Hedeon], Layla[Tupacs2legs] , Hannah Crook [Tassle] , Chris Hind [Pixie] own non FCI and mixed dogs bought from UK Breeders such as Mr Winder/ Mr Collins’orkwolf’ /Andre Tanner/Lee Church and many other members don’t own any Czechoslovakian wolf dogs and have no experience of them. This group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ is a secret group and not open to all. We wonder why is this? and as far as our Club is concerned this group has no credibility . If said members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ insist they are promoting the breed why would they not include all known new dogs to the UK, is this not bias ? Surely it would be a benefit to this group to include all newly imported dogs? Wouldn’t it of been more beneficial to unite than to slander and mis inform readers. Does this not make the group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ look stupid and extremely unprofessional? Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain was formed by new owners of FCI registered / imported dogs and members interested in owning the breed in the future, Our Club is not managed/run/linked or owned by any established breeder in the UK. The Club aims are to unite and then pursue Kennel Club Registration of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs The Club also aims to: Promote the interests, welfare and responsible ownership of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in the United Kingdom, bring together owners and future breeders and facilitate the exchange of views and information on all subjects appertaining to the breed. Keep a register of all litters eligible for registration until such time as the breed is recognised by the UK Kennel Club. Keep accurate records of all health problems and temperament issues in the breed. In addition to keeping a register of imported FCI registered Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, necessary to obtain KC recognition, the Club is also keeping a register of UK bred dogs that will be eligible for KC registration once the breed has been recognised. Our Club has a agreed Constitution and Code of Ethics and the Committee grows stronger every day. We as a Club have more important roles to play in promoting pure breeding and development of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in the UK. We have no time or desire to troll the internet and discredit other groups on forums and social networks. Not like some members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ and wolf dog.org who purport themselves as guardians of the breed that troll the internet causing friction and have done zero to promote the breed only within secret societies, resulting only to discredit themselves as guardians. Surely Admin and Moderators of this site should be clearer on facts before exasperating such a thread and misrepresenting our Club. Wouldn’t it be more prudent for the wolf dog.org admin on this tread to give a unbias reply? We hope this corrects the misrepresentation of our Club and of course welcome support from all members. |
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25-02-2012, 14:23
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This will improve the chance of the breed getting recognition with the UK kennel club. |
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25-02-2012, 16:06
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In an ideal world, think everybody would love to be able to unite and fight for recognition together. but the problem is that the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB has been founded and run by breeders who have used the CsV to create mixes to line their own pockets rather than to flourish and establish the breed here in the UK. how can the Czechoslovakian Vlcak Club of UK, which is made up of people who are trying to protect the CsV and encourage pure breeding through trusted lines, agree with the practice of breeding mixes?
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25-02-2012, 16:52
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Can someone please clarify the differences between these two clubs?!!!
Who founded each? Have they both got websites and forums?!? I am going to get a CsV as soon as a suitable litter is available. I am not however going to partake in politics around the breed. All I am interested in is a companion |
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25-02-2012, 17:15
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If there is a club working for help and selecting the breed, the puppy millers will have real problems, before UK was a real paradise for puppy millers willing to mistake people with the talk of "CzW are agressive, mixes are better" or "there are no CzW in UK than ours mixes", but now, with new rules for import dogs, to import a CzW is much easier and these puppy millers are for lost their market. If you wish information, contact the http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ its the right club with no "hidden interest". You can be sure that wolfdog club GB is not a serious club only by looking its reactions at this forum, completely childish reaction.
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25-02-2012, 20:53
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I would like to respond, if you excuse me my english... Hope I will be able to post it.
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Now about our closed group on Facebook. This group was created mostly for purposes of discussion, regarding matters of stopping unethical breeding, preventing puppy millers (Ork wolf in this case) from causing more damage to the dogs, and breed in this country. For obvious reasons it cold not be public, as we didn't wanted these breeders to access these discussions. Yes, it meant to be a seed of Club as well but we didn't rushed with it, as for this moment there is very little FCI registered dogs in UK (some are owned by Ork Wolf but, we are strongly against his way of breeding). In fact, first official sign on creation of the club is here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21839 where we would like to invite every one to join. Quote:
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 Unite would be a great thing. But... If I am well told co founders of your group are people like Paul Collins, Hanka, and Sansorella. Two of them are people responsible for destroying this breed in UK. Their actions caused UK to be banned from exporting to. For many years they have cross breed, no even thinking about recognition with UK Kennel Club. There was no need. It was nearly impossible to import puppies from Europe, so they could do whatever they wanted. Registration with Kennel Club would only put restrictions and regulations on them, so why to do it if puppy business is going so well? Recent change in DEFRA law (Department for Environment, Food And Rural Affairs) makes now importing dogs from Europe much, much easier. Now, all these cross breeders have to compete with European breeders. That is no good for business... And these European breed dogs have something UK breed dogs have not - pedigrees. So now change of mind, and they going for recognition - hence, your club. Quote:
Don't forget we saw it on screen shots If you are all new owners, not breeders, you didn't know each other before. Just wonder, how you guys have meet up, organised? This is biggest forum about CSV. Every day, I am reading this and other forums, facebook group, and nowhere no one mentions importing CSV. Just Ork Wolf. How you have promoted your forum, in such short time? There must be some central point, and I bet it is Ork Wolf - Hanka Ltd.  How it comes Hanka who sold puppies to Ork Wolf is one of you moderators/admins? How she becomes in such short time one of persons who deicide what is right or what is wrong on the forum? Don't blame me, but conclusions are pretty obvious. So dont tell me you are just owners, unrelated to current breeders ....In conclusion - I would be very happy to team up with your club, only if I could see it being right. Without Hanka, ork wolf, sansorella , and others UK cross breeders, and puppy millers. Those breeders should never get registered with Kennel Club as breeders. Excluded form development of this breed in this country. But it will never happen, isn't it? |
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25-02-2012, 20:30
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25-02-2012, 16:17
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But thing is, CSV club can not be managed by people who brought this breed in this country to brink of destruction. Because of these breeders UK was banned for export by European breeders. How you want to make them to trust us if among us will be the same people who caused whole mess? And to have proper breeding in UK, we need to cooperate with quality breeders from Europe. |
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24-02-2012, 17:32
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So the only way to get a FCI registered dog is to import??
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24-02-2012, 17:57
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At the same time the pups should come from typical and healthy parents, (unsuspected of having unpure ancestors) and the breeders who sell them should be willing to help the UK owners not only with providing advice and assistance, but also smartly seeing to the formalities. This is important to avoid breaking the FCI pedigree lines. Otherwise the situation from the past might repeat 
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24-02-2012, 17:58
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FCI registered dog imports
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Problem is the UK KC does not accept all registered FCI breeds! |
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24-02-2012, 18:09
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I'm not really interested in breeding or showing - I just want a happy healthy puppy that is a great example of the breed.
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24-02-2012, 18:19
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Great work!!!!
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24-02-2012, 18:23
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24-02-2012, 19:00
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Do your research on breeders, check out their lines and dogs and find someone you like and trust. You should always be able to get contacts of previous owners from a breeder so that you can check out what their 'post sales service' has been like too. Beware of breeders who don't offer you a lifetime support - they are the ones not interested in the puppy, just the colour of your money
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24-02-2012, 19:02
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However in the specific situation of the breed in the UK any imported pup could apart from being "happy healthy example of the breed" also contribute to the breed registration. Why not use such a great opportunity. Besides, vlcaks vary a lot one from another. It matters what looks and especially characters the parents of a particular litter have  Some owners prefer active pups with strong personalities for sport and work, others might prefer pups of less independent parents. For one person big coat and small ears are important, for another - light body and good movement. Etc. etc. Some research into the breed before getting a dog is really advisable.
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24-02-2012, 19:13
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I have been planning on getting a CsV for several years so have researched all I can. One thing I haven't done is researched Europesn breeders as I didn't regard importing as an option with older quarantine laws.
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24-02-2012, 19:34
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Good luck in your search
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24-02-2012, 21:14
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