some suggestion for names

yukidomari · 02-11-2011, 20:42

I know it must be hard to read comments or suggestions about not getting 2 dogs at once especially without having prior breed experience... when you post here really wanting support and people to share your excitement and happiness. I really understand it.

But there have been already posts on Wolfdog.org of others who have attempted to have 2 puppies at once from 1 litter with not very good results = double the trouble, double the training, more difficulty in training, more frustration - I think regular owners who are on their first Vlcak find it frustrating enough...

As I believe Jorja Wolfzone and Raider Wolfzone were brought together and shortly afterwards both returned to their breeder or otherwise gotten rid of.

I am only on my first CsV and he will be 1 year old soon. I cannot imagine having brought 2 at the same exact time, they require A LOT of training and time dedication to raise them up right and socialized. And I cannot imagine having another one within 1 or 2 years, that is how much training he will need.

I hope you will reconsider or at least think about how to readjust your schedule to better accommodate your family additions.

And, by the way, I do not trust my 1 year old male CsV to be good with children. He is just too big, rough, and at parks I must be extra careful, because he will knock children down and sometimes mouth too roughly even to me.

Rona · 02-11-2011, 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by deocamdata

I chose this bread because I need a dog who loves children, has a very well developed sense of property and is suspicions with strangers and also for his look.

I don't think many vlcaks have a well developed sense of property! Instead they have rather extremely very well developed sense of pack membership.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deocamdata

In the past I had two german shepherd and i train them by myself to obey basic commands.

CSVs "think" differently and act differently than GSDs. Reading some threads about training to avoid basic errors might be helpful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deocamdata

So ... about my yard ... the point was that I am not afraid that the puppies will destroy my sofa or my TV ... I do not intend to abandon that dog in the back of my house ... specially that I have a son which will fall in love of our next member of the family ...

Relieved to hear this

In the first months a pup requires really a lot of time and energy! Any shortcuts in socialization and training might backfire later.

Good luck!

saschia · 02-11-2011, 21:36

Yeah, they have a sense of property all right. Everything I want belongs to ME! That is the basic attitude. They know where is their pack headquarters, but that does not mean they will not try to roam around if they manage to escape and decide it is fun. They will guard their territory, which means they will bark at all dogs they are not friend with, and look suspiciously at people. They will let them in, but once they grow up, they'll not let them out.

With children they can be great - but they need to grow up near them - to know from puppyhood that that is something fragile. Of course, when a wolfdog is mature it will also be able to accomodate with children, the hardest is with adolescent wolfdogs who do not have child in the family and only meet them in streets (my Frei was long just too enthusiastic to play with them, so I had to be careful).

And last thing - young wolfdog needs a lot of time. It will not be better if you try to compensate for lack of it by giving it another wolfdog to play with. It does not need your time because it needs to play (it can play by itself a lot - destroying mostly) but it needs your time to be socialized, to be brought up and taught what is OK and what is forbidden.

I completely understand your desire to get a puppy or two. But if you want to be happy, you really should consider if you are doing the right thing. And really, even if you get a puppy (and I wish you good luck with that), I really thing better idea for a playmate would be a cat. They can be good friends (I know quite a lot wolfdogs that have cat friends), but do not support each other in doing wrongs and most of all, cat does not need so much of your attention as a second puppy does.

Good luck from me too!

bogdan · 02-11-2011, 23:46

Wellcome in the club DEOCAMDATA!
For sure there are different personalities of CSW and I subscribe to all the posts on this thread.
But one thing is for sure.Does not matter how big your yard is but your CSW will want to be anytime where you are.
When you ll get the pupies you will know what name.

Mine has also cats as friends and a shepperd dog.

Rona · 03-11-2011, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

He is just too big, rough, and at parks I must be extra careful, because he will knock children down and sometimes mouth too roughly even to me.

Oh yes, vlcak's affection sometimes... hurts

Enid Black · 03-11-2011, 11:06

oH, GOSH, a very careful breeder here in Italy once told me "If you want two CSWs, do it, they're splendid but... DO NOT TAKE TWO PUPPIES AT THE TIME... two pups are not twice the work, they are FOUR TIME the work!"

That is because they will form a very strong bond with each other, so you really risk to be cut out.

The child, besides, is very young and it is easier to teach to ONE dog (female, I daresay!) to be delicate than to two.

I have a 13 months old male who was so rough as a puppy with children, even if he loves them!! Now he has started to be more delicate (especially with very small children), but it took a lot of work and patience and I never leave the eyes off of him when children are around!!

Please, take only one, and raise it properly, then you can think to take the second (if the first has not done his or her job well :P)

deocamdata · 03-11-2011, 20:26

Thank you all guys ...
This Saturday I will take final decision

tupacs2legs · 04-11-2011, 14:43

...please please do not get two at once if this is your first time living with this breed

Tassle · 04-11-2011, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enid Black

oH, GOSH, a very careful breeder here in Italy once told me "If you want two CSWs, do it, they're splendid but... DO NOT TAKE TWO PUPPIES AT THE TIME... two pups are not twice the work, they are FOUR TIME the work!"

That is because they will form a very strong bond with each other, so you really risk to be cut out.

The child, besides, is very young and it is easier to teach to ONE dog (female, I daresay!) to be delicate than to two.

I have a 13 months old male who was so rough as a puppy with children, even if he loves them!! Now he has started to be more delicate (especially with very small children), but it took a lot of work and patience and I never leave the eyes off of him when children are around!!

Please, take only one, and raise it properly, then you can think to take the second (if the first has not done his or her job well :P)

Very true

deocamdata · 08-11-2011, 10:43

So ... is only one ... for the beginning ...
It is absolutely spectacular ... very active and after first night seams that he has already accommodate with his new home and his new family.
His name in the pedigree certificate is Karlos ... probably he will have a nick name ...

So ... thank you again for all your advices.

saschia · 08-11-2011, 10:59

Congrats! I hope you'll all get used to one another quickly. I am glad that you decided for only one in the beginning. Lots of luck!

Rona · 08-11-2011, 12:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by deocamdata

So ... is only one ... for the beginning ...

Very wise decision...

This time next year you'll know why

Enjoy his puppyhood and start training asap! The earlier the easier (though not necessarily faster) it's to imprint some behaviour patterns...

tupacs2legs · 08-11-2011, 13:24

brilliant!! good decision

.. welcome karlos

.... pics please

02-11-2011, 21:36	#3
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	Yeah, they have a sense of property all right. Everything I want belongs to ME! That is the basic attitude. They know where is their pack headquarters, but that does not mean they will not try to roam around if they manage to escape and decide it is fun. They will guard their territory, which means they will bark at all dogs they are not friend with, and look suspiciously at people. They will let them in, but once they grow up, they'll not let them out. With children they can be great - but they need to grow up near them - to know from puppyhood that that is something fragile. Of course, when a wolfdog is mature it will also be able to accomodate with children, the hardest is with adolescent wolfdogs who do not have child in the family and only meet them in streets (my Frei was long just too enthusiastic to play with them, so I had to be careful). And last thing - young wolfdog needs a lot of time. It will not be better if you try to compensate for lack of it by giving it another wolfdog to play with. It does not need your time because it needs to play (it can play by itself a lot - destroying mostly) but it needs your time to be socialized, to be brought up and taught what is OK and what is forbidden. I completely understand your desire to get a puppy or two. But if you want to be happy, you really should consider if you are doing the right thing. And really, even if you get a puppy (and I wish you good luck with that), I really thing better idea for a playmate would be a cat. They can be good friends (I know quite a lot wolfdogs that have cat friends), but do not support each other in doing wrongs and most of all, cat does not need so much of your attention as a second puppy does. Good luck from me too! __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

02-11-2011, 23:46	#4
bogdan Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 11	Wellcome in the club DEOCAMDATA! For sure there are different personalities of CSW and I subscribe to all the posts on this thread. But one thing is for sure.Does not matter how big your yard is but your CSW will want to be anytime where you are. When you ll get the pupies you will know what name. Mine has also cats as friends and a shepperd dog. Last edited by bogdan; 02-11-2011 at 23:51.

03-11-2011, 11:06	#6
Enid Black Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arezzo Posts: 1,142	oH, GOSH, a very careful breeder here in Italy once told me "If you want two CSWs, do it, they're splendid but... DO NOT TAKE TWO PUPPIES AT THE TIME... two pups are not twice the work, they are FOUR TIME the work!" That is because they will form a very strong bond with each other, so you really risk to be cut out. The child, besides, is very young and it is easier to teach to ONE dog (female, I daresay!) to be delicate than to two. I have a 13 months old male who was so rough as a puppy with children, even if he loves them!! Now he has started to be more delicate (especially with very small children), but it took a lot of work and patience and I never leave the eyes off of him when children are around!! Please, take only one, and raise it properly, then you can think to take the second (if the first has not done his or her job well :P) __________________ Enid Black, Gianni, Spettro and Kira Last edited by Enid Black; 03-11-2011 at 11:13.

08-11-2011, 10:43	#10
deocamdata Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Romania Posts: 27	So ... is only one ... for the beginning ... It is absolutely spectacular ... very active and after first night seams that he has already accommodate with his new home and his new family. His name in the pedigree certificate is Karlos ... probably he will have a nick name ... So ... thank you again for all your advices. Last edited by deocamdata; 08-11-2011 at 11:00.

08-11-2011, 10:59	#11
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	Congrats! I hope you'll all get used to one another quickly. I am glad that you decided for only one in the beginning. Lots of luck! __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

02-11-2011, 20:42	#1
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	I know it must be hard to read comments or suggestions about not getting 2 dogs at once especially without having prior breed experience... when you post here really wanting support and people to share your excitement and happiness. I really understand it. But there have been already posts on Wolfdog.org of others who have attempted to have 2 puppies at once from 1 litter with not very good results = double the trouble, double the training, more difficulty in training, more frustration - I think regular owners who are on their first Vlcak find it frustrating enough... As I believe Jorja Wolfzone and Raider Wolfzone were brought together and shortly afterwards both returned to their breeder or otherwise gotten rid of. I am only on my first CsV and he will be 1 year old soon. I cannot imagine having brought 2 at the same exact time, they require A LOT of training and time dedication to raise them up right and socialized. And I cannot imagine having another one within 1 or 2 years, that is how much training he will need. I hope you will reconsider or at least think about how to readjust your schedule to better accommodate your family additions. And, by the way, I do not trust my 1 year old male CsV to be good with children. He is just too big, rough, and at parks I must be extra careful, because he will knock children down and sometimes mouth too roughly even to me.

03-11-2011, 20:26	#7
deocamdata Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Romania Posts: 27	Thank you all guys ... This Saturday I will take final decision

04-11-2011, 14:43	#8
tupacs2legs rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: london Posts: 320	...please please do not get two at once if this is your first time living with this breed

08-11-2011, 13:24	#13
tupacs2legs rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: london Posts: 320	brilliant!! good decision .. welcome karlos .... pics please

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