some suggestion for names

[deocamdata]

Thank you very much to you all ...
I own a house with a big yard (2000 sqm) and a big part of this land is for wolves.
The biggest problem is my time ...
The breeder told me since our first discussion (few months) ago that will not be easy with two in the same time but probably until now, when i have only few days until the moment when the puppies will be in my yard, I didn't pay to much attention to this aspect ....
I'll see ... with the names and also with the numbers

[Rona]

Originally Posted by deocamdata

Thank you very much to you all ...
I own a house with a big yard (2000 sqm) and a big part of this land is for wolves.
The biggest problem is my time ...
The breeder told me since our first discussion (few months) ago that will not be easy with two in the same time but probably until now, when i have only few days until the moment when the puppies will be in my yard, I didn't pay to much attention to this aspect ....
I'll see ... with the names and also with the numbers

Sorry to say this, but you don't seem to know much about vlcaks and even less about CSV pups and raising them.
However big your yard is, they'll want and attempt to be next to their human pack most of the time!
Brining up a pup by leaving it to run in a yard, (at least most of the time), is a very bad idea. Leaving two pups to run free in a yard means asking for serious troubles.

BTW What do you mean by big part of land for wolves? Do you happen to own wolves?

[deocamdata]

Wolves ... what is the name of this breed ? I think that is not so difficult to realize that was a figure of speech ...

I don't know nothing about rising puppies of csw ... I am not that kind of person who after reading a book about soccer he believes that he is at least Maradona ...

I chose this bread because I need a dog who loves children, has a very well developed sense of property and is suspicions with strangers and also for his look.

In the past I had two german shepherd and i train them by myself to obey basic commands.
This does not mean that I am a trainer or that i know everything about the german shepherd.

So ... about my yard ... the point was that I am not afraid that the puppies will destroy my sofa or my TV ... I do not intend to abandon that dog in the back of my house ... specially that I have a son which will fall in love of our next member of the family ...

I am open to any advice regarding the puppies because I want everything is the best for them ...

Thank you very much and really I am glad that I found this community ...

[yukidomari]

I know it must be hard to read comments or suggestions about not getting 2 dogs at once especially without having prior breed experience... when you post here really wanting support and people to share your excitement and happiness. I really understand it.

But there have been already posts on Wolfdog.org of others who have attempted to have 2 puppies at once from 1 litter with not very good results = double the trouble, double the training, more difficulty in training, more frustration - I think regular owners who are on their first Vlcak find it frustrating enough...

As I believe Jorja Wolfzone and Raider Wolfzone were brought together and shortly afterwards both returned to their breeder or otherwise gotten rid of.

I am only on my first CsV and he will be 1 year old soon. I cannot imagine having brought 2 at the same exact time, they require A LOT of training and time dedication to raise them up right and socialized. And I cannot imagine having another one within 1 or 2 years, that is how much training he will need.


I hope you will reconsider or at least think about how to readjust your schedule to better accommodate your family additions.

And, by the way, I do not trust my 1 year old male CsV to be good with children. He is just too big, rough, and at parks I must be extra careful, because he will knock children down and sometimes mouth too roughly even to me.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by deocamdata

I chose this bread because I need a dog who loves children, has a very well developed sense of property and is suspicions with strangers and also for his look.

I don't think many vlcaks have a well developed sense of property! Instead they have rather extremely very well developed sense of pack membership.

Originally Posted by deocamdata

In the past I had two german shepherd and i train them by myself to obey basic commands.

CSVs "think" differently and act differently than GSDs. Reading some threads about training to avoid basic errors might be helpful.

Originally Posted by deocamdata

So ... about my yard ... the point was that I am not afraid that the puppies will destroy my sofa or my TV ... I do not intend to abandon that dog in the back of my house ... specially that I have a son which will fall in love of our next member of the family ...

Relieved to hear this In the first months a pup requires really a lot of time and energy! Any shortcuts in socialization and training might backfire later.


Good luck!

[saschia]

Yeah, they have a sense of property all right. Everything I want belongs to ME! That is the basic attitude. They know where is their pack headquarters, but that does not mean they will not try to roam around if they manage to escape and decide it is fun. They will guard their territory, which means they will bark at all dogs they are not friend with, and look suspiciously at people. They will let them in, but once they grow up, they'll not let them out.

With children they can be great - but they need to grow up near them - to know from puppyhood that that is something fragile. Of course, when a wolfdog is mature it will also be able to accomodate with children, the hardest is with adolescent wolfdogs who do not have child in the family and only meet them in streets (my Frei was long just too enthusiastic to play with them, so I had to be careful).

And last thing - young wolfdog needs a lot of time. It will not be better if you try to compensate for lack of it by giving it another wolfdog to play with. It does not need your time because it needs to play (it can play by itself a lot - destroying mostly) but it needs your time to be socialized, to be brought up and taught what is OK and what is forbidden.

I completely understand your desire to get a puppy or two. But if you want to be happy, you really should consider if you are doing the right thing. And really, even if you get a puppy (and I wish you good luck with that), I really thing better idea for a playmate would be a cat. They can be good friends (I know quite a lot wolfdogs that have cat friends), but do not support each other in doing wrongs and most of all, cat does not need so much of your attention as a second puppy does.

Good luck from me too!

[bogdan]

Wellcome in the club DEOCAMDATA!
For sure there are different personalities of CSW and I subscribe to all the posts on this thread.
But one thing is for sure.Does not matter how big your yard is but your CSW will want to be anytime where you are.
When you ll get the pupies you will know what name.
Mine has also cats as friends and a shepperd dog.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

He is just too big, rough, and at parks I must be extra careful, because he will knock children down and sometimes mouth too roughly even to me.

Oh yes, vlcak's affection sometimes... hurts

[Enid Black]

oH, GOSH, a very careful breeder here in Italy once told me "If you want two CSWs, do it, they're splendid but... DO NOT TAKE TWO PUPPIES AT THE TIME... two pups are not twice the work, they are FOUR TIME the work!"

That is because they will form a very strong bond with each other, so you really risk to be cut out.

The child, besides, is very young and it is easier to teach to ONE dog (female, I daresay!) to be delicate than to two.

I have a 13 months old male who was so rough as a puppy with children, even if he loves them!! Now he has started to be more delicate (especially with very small children), but it took a lot of work and patience and I never leave the eyes off of him when children are around!!

Please, take only one, and raise it properly, then you can think to take the second (if the first has not done his or her job well :P)

[deocamdata]

Thank you all guys ...
This Saturday I will take final decision

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by Enid Black

oH, GOSH, a very careful breeder here in Italy once told me "If you want two CSWs, do it, they're splendid but... DO NOT TAKE TWO PUPPIES AT THE TIME... two pups are not twice the work, they are FOUR TIME the work!"

That is because they will form a very strong bond with each other, so you really risk to be cut out.

The child, besides, is very young and it is easier to teach to ONE dog (female, I daresay!) to be delicate than to two.

I have a 13 months old male who was so rough as a puppy with children, even if he loves them!! Now he has started to be more delicate (especially with very small children), but it took a lot of work and patience and I never leave the eyes off of him when children are around!!

Please, take only one, and raise it properly, then you can think to take the second (if the first has not done his or her job well :P)

Very true

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by deocamdata

I chose this bread because I need a dog who loves children, has a very well developed sense of property and is suspicions with strangers and also for his look.

Then I think you're chosing the wrong breed.
Yes, wolfdogs do love child as they do love humans, after 4 months old you will have 2 wolfdogs with no idea about their own strenght and wishing to learn more about their own capacities, it will get worst as more they grow more strong they get, mean you will soon have two troglodytes in your garden, with 12 months they will have almost the size of an adult with the mind of a pup.
You will teach him how to play with humans, but when they play with each other they can easily run over someone without note they did it, it can be quite tragical for a small child.
But it talking about already educated dogs, lets think when they are learning about life and rules, they will jump and bite hard and they will be strong enough to bring down a child which is playing.
Then, lets correct it, educated adult wolfdogs can be good dogs with kids.

As guarding dogs, mainly when we talk about property, better chose a Rottweiler, maybe a German Shepherd working line, CzW can be good guarding dogs if you work hard on it and expend a lot of time socializing, even this way their tendency is not protect the property, but the pack, you will also need to have a strong bond with them to have them as really guard dog.
Either way, don't expect them to be a guard dog as you should be used to, after all wolfdogs loves humans and tend to be very kind with them, even strangers.