British Kennel Club Recognition

AMERICANI · 25-09-2011, 23:19

Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK...

Shadowlands · 26-09-2011, 08:24

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Originally Posted by AMERICANI

Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK...

Americani, Thank you from all of us who care xx

To everyone else, I posted the above as a warning to others that there are still unscrupulous people out there and that this is what we are trying to change. As everyone has been agreeing, trust is what is needed and this is a prime example of deceit in work. Luckily no pure puppy from Europe ended up in this situation (they have a UK bred one now), but breeders in Europe, and the lovers of the breed doing great work in the UK, need to be cautious. Trust is difficult to earn and easy to lose, and unfortunately the bad actions of the few seem to have a more lasting effect than the good actions of the many.

Keep up all the great work getting the club organised and - eventually - getting KC recognition.

Nebulosa · 26-09-2011, 08:57

Vaiva had let clear before that the "said person" is reading this topic, if someone is telling a lie he can register here and reply personaly, anyway it's mainly of his interess to convince Vaiva (and others breeders) that he is an reliable person to have a pup from her breeding.

This topic is a bit important to UK, as I could see here there are some problems for the future UK breeders and also the "breed lovers" to solve, if he really wants to breed pure CzW we expect him to at least help with it.

Tassle · 26-09-2011, 10:46

I agree that things need to be done sooner rather than later.

Maybe a core group of people who own a pure could get together and throw some idea around, including how to deal with the dogs already here (DNA profiling ect)
Maybe draft some correspondence to people already producing and who also own pure, stating the intentions of setting up a breed club, what specifications would be put in place for joining and a Code of ethics.

Due to how difficult it is for people to meet up, possibly a Yahoo group (private) could be set up to throw emails about, then when you have something down that everyone agrees with, things can be sent to the relevant parties and possibly meet from there?

I Am not sure how it works with breed clubs, but I think (under the law) you have to have 6 people to form a committee? (Or is that just if you have paying members?)

I guess the alternative is contacting DEFRA and the KC and finding out what was in place? Or the people who had set it up with the KC in the first place?

pixie · 28-09-2011, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Tassle

I agree that things need to be done sooner rather than later.

Maybe a core group of people who own a pure could get together and throw some idea around, including how to deal with the dogs already here (DNA profiling ect)
Maybe draft some correspondence to people already producing and who also own pure, stating the intentions of setting up a breed club, what specifications would be put in place for joining and a Code of ethics.

Due to how difficult it is for people to meet up, possibly a Yahoo group (private) could be set up to throw emails about, then when you have something down that everyone agrees with, things can be sent to the relevant parties and possibly meet from there?

I Am not sure how it works with breed clubs, but I think (under the law) you have to have 6 people to form a committee? (Or is that just if you have paying members?)

I guess the alternative is contacting DEFRA and the KC and finding out what was in place? Or the people who had set it up with the KC in the first place?

whatever way we need to do it soon

tupacs2legs · 28-09-2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by pixie

whatever way we need to do it soon

well really,we need to wait for a reply to hedeons email to the kc.... will know where we stand and a bit more of what needs to be done.(mind u they never answered me a year ago

)

hedeon · 28-09-2011, 19:51

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

well really,we need to wait for a reply to hedeons email to the kc.... will know where we stand and a bit more of what needs to be done.(mind u they never answered me a year ago

)

Well, I have received a reply, a bit strange... According to KC, CSV wasn't registered with KC before. Or in 2002. Any way I will quote evertyhing

My email

Quote:

Hello Caroline,

hope you are all right.
Thank you for your reply regarding breed recognition, but yet another question comes to my mind. How does it look like in situation where Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (CSV) was originally recognized by Kennel Club in 2002, but was removed from recognized breeds list in 2003 when DEFRA given the breed the status of 'Dangerous Wild Animal'. DEFRA revised their decision in 2008 removing CSV from 'Dangerous Wild Animal' act as " any dog 3 or more generations removed from pure wolf now no longer comes under the Dangerous Wild Animals act and therefore no longer needs a special licence to keep", but CSV have never come back on Kennel Club list. Does in this case whole process of breed recognition has to happen all over again?

And her reply:

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Thank you for your further email. It appears that you have been misinformed, as the Kennel Club did not recognize the breed in 2002.

We hope that this clarifies the situation for you.

Yours sincerely
Caroline Hallett
Registered Societies Manager

Is someone not telling the truth?

pixie · 28-09-2011, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

well really,we need to wait for a reply to hedeons email to the kc.... will know where we stand and a bit more of what needs to be done.(mind u they never answered me a year ago

)

that is the problem, if we can get a group together and forward the names of the dogs with pedigrees to he kennel club, and start to make noises so they know we are not going away they may possibly answer. I doubt it but we have to try, I just believe less people will mix if we are KC registered, as then potential new owners wont be looking at 98% csv 2% whatever, because they will want the KC reistration papers

25-09-2011, 23:19	#1
AMERICANI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 111	Just having to hear about (much less deal with) unscrupulous @$$-clowns is really gut wrenching. In a way I'm happy I am not the only person who has encountered this type of person wanting our dogs, but I also sympathize all of you who are trying to do all we can for the benefit of the breed while simultaneously keeping our eyes open for these types. My best wishes for the intelligence to outweigh the ignorance of lawmakers and/or breed club officials in the UK... Last edited by AMERICANI; 26-09-2011 at 00:10. Reason: missing information

26-09-2011, 08:57	#3
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Vaiva had let clear before that the "said person" is reading this topic, if someone is telling a lie he can register here and reply personaly, anyway it's mainly of his interess to convince Vaiva (and others breeders) that he is an reliable person to have a pup from her breeding. This topic is a bit important to UK, as I could see here there are some problems for the future UK breeders and also the "breed lovers" to solve, if he really wants to breed pure CzW we expect him to at least help with it. __________________ Last edited by Nebulosa; 26-09-2011 at 09:00.

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26-09-2011, 10:46	#4
Tassle Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall Posts: 137	I agree that things need to be done sooner rather than later. Maybe a core group of people who own a pure could get together and throw some idea around, including how to deal with the dogs already here (DNA profiling ect) Maybe draft some correspondence to people already producing and who also own pure, stating the intentions of setting up a breed club, what specifications would be put in place for joining and a Code of ethics. Due to how difficult it is for people to meet up, possibly a Yahoo group (private) could be set up to throw emails about, then when you have something down that everyone agrees with, things can be sent to the relevant parties and possibly meet from there? I Am not sure how it works with breed clubs, but I think (under the law) you have to have 6 people to form a committee? (Or is that just if you have paying members?) I guess the alternative is contacting DEFRA and the KC and finding out what was in place? Or the people who had set it up with the KC in the first place?