British Kennel Club Recognition

[tupacs2legs]

So we agree on one thing. 'Happyfeet' about encouraging understanding of the breed.

....Oh so now my Tupac is a cross is he...how convinient

And where have I ever said I would breed him?

[tupacs2legs]

I find it very sad and cannot understand why fellow csv lovers are attacking me? For what? For loving the breed and loving my dog?surely we should unite?

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

your dog is as you call a MUTT, however I find that not polite..

I dont ask you to agree with me your opinion is your own as a forum I think I am right to share mine?

And worry that you are being encouraged to breed your dog by other members which really isnt the answer is it?

What do u know about Tupac? He is an unregistered csv.....yes I do have two 'mutts' as well that I love dearly...your point is?

[Nebulosa]

Let me see, let me see... no paragraphs and tons of (,,,,) or (....) , oh, I was so happy you were being able to avoid shaking your fingers at these keys that I tried to ignores the warn of Yukidomari about your possible new account.

Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs

I find it very sad and cannot understand why fellow csv lovers are attacking me? For what? For loving the breed and loving my dog?surely we should unite?

As you can see they have double (or more) personality, but one thing they clearly fear most is some kind of "competition" in their unetical breeding of mixes, then they are scared about the possibilitie of you breed like them without being one if his nice little friends.
Acting like they do, the last thing you can call them is "CzW lovers".

[Shadowlands]

Tupac is not a MUTT - only his mother and himself are non-FCI and this is simply because the UK Kennel Club do not yet recognise the breed; as soon as they do, he will be registered - he is a CsV, pure and simple. We should try to see round the cross breeders in the UK and recognise that there are some (albeit only a few) real CsV's born in the country. At no point has Tupac's owner said she will breed (in fact has expressly told me she does not wish to), so please get your facts straight before launching an attack.

You know how horrible it was to have your baby in quarantine . These new rules make it possible for people to bring in young puppies that they can form a lasting, loving bond with, the same as you have with your dog and I with mine . Now they can bypass the UK breeders (which may hit their pockets, and hopefully some will stop tampering with the breed when it is no longer financially profitable - fingers crossed!) as long as they can convince a European breeder that they have the correct intentions for the puppy and breed in general, and that they will not breed until the UK Kennel Club enters the 21 century and joins the AKC and the FCI in recognising the breed.

Lets all pull together here and stop slinging mud to see where it sticks. It is essential if the breed is to have a future in the UK.

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

You know how horrible it was to have your baby in quarantine . These new rules make it possible for people to bring in young puppies that they can form a lasting, loving bond with, the same as you have with your dog and I with mine . Now they can bypass the UK breeders (which may hit their pockets, and hopefully some will stop tampering with the breed when it is no longer financially profitable - fingers crossed!) as long as they can convince a European breeder that they have the correct intentions for the puppy and breed in general, and that they will not breed until the UK Kennel Club enters the 21 century and joins the AKC and the FCI in recognising the breed.

LIKE IT!
This is exactly what I hope for.
I even contacted KC to find out what is needed to get CSV recognized, but it looks more complicated and much more people have to be involved.

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by hedeon

LIKE IT!
This is exactly what I hope for.
I even contacted KC to find out what is needed to get CSV recognized, but it looks more complicated and much more people have to be involved.

Marcy from Galomy Oak has achieved it in the States, so don't give up hope. Well done you for contacting them and asking, now we just have to find you some support and you'll all be on your way to getting the breed recognised

[Nebulosa]

Well, in the end we completely changed the topic from new importing rules in UK to UK breeding, old UK breeders and some histories related, I will work on it soon.

But I want to let clear here somethings, the breed in UK had a wrong start, unfortunatelly real CzW lovers trusted in the wrong person at UK, and after years thinking that was all right the truth starts to pop out, we had several fights and several unreplied questions.

In every country we can meet good and bad breeders and people, we only were unlucky enough to have as our first contact an bad exemple in UK, it's quite common to happen in CzW breed, it was the same in several countries and it didn't prevented people interested in move on to work and change the situation of the breed in their countries.

Im sure that if you want to change the situation of the breed in your country, and is willing to do it in way to help the breed with a really serious work, several people will be happy in help you in all possibles ways, after all what most lack in all breeds are serious breeders.

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Marcy from Galomy Oak has achieved it in the States, so don't give up hope. Well done you for contacting them and asking, now we just have to find you some support and you'll all be on your way to getting the breed recognised

That was nothing really difficult abut it. But, not so fast. I am a new comer to the breed, I don't even own a CSV yet. I have seen CSV in real time just two weeks ago... So I can't really call myself a beginner. Maybe in the future when I will have my dog, get know breed enough, dogs, and their owners... I can quote initial requirements from KC reply for CSV recognition.

The Committee will consider an application for recognition of a breed once there are specimens of it resident in the UK and the dog(s) are imported from a country either having a Kennel Club with which there is a reciprocal agreement or which has full membership of the F.C.I. or where there is a Breed Club maintaining a Stud Book and acceptable to the Kennel Club. Application for recognition and subsequent registration should be made in the first instance to the Breed Standards and Stud Book Sub-Committee. In general, an application should consist of:

Names & addresses of UK owners/importers
Total number of dogs of the breed in the UK
[ideally at least 20, preferably unrelated]
Copies of pedigrees of UK dogs – at least 3 generations
Proposed breeding plan and indication of available gene pool
Indication of temperament and characteristics
Recognition status in the country of origin
Details of registration body in country of origin
Indication of group classification
If the breed has been crossbred, when the registry closed
Brief history of the breed in its country of origin & photographs
Functionality of breed and how widely it is used
Breed Standard from country of origin
Breed Registration statistics in country of origin [ideally a consistent minimum of 50 per year]; and other countries
Show entry statistics in country of origin and at international level
[ideally a minimum of 35 individually exhibited at a single competitive event]
Details of any inherited conditions prevalent in the breed
For Working Breeds – details of activities. Video footage [if available]

[Please note that it is the individual responsibility of those applying for breed recognition to ensure due compliance with all statutory and regulatory requirements, including requisite licences, permissions and consents as are laid down by the general law, with regard to the keeping, breeding and selling of any particular breed. Recognition of the breed by the Kennel Club will not denote that any of the above has been satisfied or complied with.]

Recognition of a breed allows registration on the Imported Breeds Register, although the breed would not be eligible for exhibition until such time as an Interim Breed Standard is published. This is not considered at the same time as recognition, as it is the Kennel Club’s policy to allow the breed to develop slowly before show participation is permitted. Importers of new breeds are encouraged to form a provisional breed club, registration of which can be applied for once a certain nucleus of the breed has been established in the UK.

The Kennel Club may, in its absolute discretion, refuse to recognise any proposed breed.

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

I was referring to Tassle comment

What on earth has my comment about my crossbreed got to do with Tupacs dog???

[Tazer]

Originally Posted by Tassle

What on earth has my comment about my crossbreed got to do with Tupacs dog???

And what has it got to do with my post, which was what he was responding too.


Taz

[Tassle]

I was led to believe that there were a group of people who had organised and got the paperwork sorted to submit to the KC - however - I was told this by someone who, after swearing she was not intending to cross-breed her CsV, went ahead and did just that! So I doubt the validity of what she says now...

Originally Posted by Tazer

And what has it got to do with my post, which was what he was responding too.


Taz

Possibly the saying 'Clutching at Straws' is applicable in this case.