DM Testresults

Tuky · 16-08-2011, 23:24

Kimaris Kay z Peronowki n/DM
Aisha Al-hamra de la Manada de Tuky n/n

and waiting for the rest of his brothers,

I'm very happy

Shadowlands · 17-08-2011, 11:03

We want to breed again this year but with Shadow being N/DM, need to know the male is N/N. So many stud dog owners seem to still be burying their head in the sand and not getting tested (and not doing so if requested!) - to quote one owner "Of the DM test, I think myself not too much, because I look him in the breed population as inconclusive" - and his rates weren't cheap either, the test costs less than he quotes per puppy!!

We are limited in the distance we can travel due to other responsibilities at home and need to also take into consideration the COI of any potential pairing so are getting rather frustrated...

Maybe it would be an idea to have an addition in the stud dog listings to say that the test has been done (show the results only if wanted), that way it would save a lot of time and effort for owners of females who are concientious enough to want their puppies healthy.

If stud dog owners continue to refuse to carry out the test, this disease is only going to proliferate and the outcome for the breed is not good.

Sorry for the rant but I think breeding dog owners need to wake up to the consequences of what they are (or are not) doing...

hanninadina · 17-08-2011, 13:47

How can in one litter be a dog with DM/DM and N/N like Sherdor posted from the same parents?

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=311

Please watch the first Garderel and the last dogs Gerd.

Christian

Shadowlands · 17-08-2011, 13:54

If two N/DM dogs breed, they can have puppies of N/N, N/DM and DM/DM (a 25% chance of N/N and DM/DM and 50% of N/DM). He already stated that one parent (Ckaa'loup-bah MLS) is N/DM, so the results show that it is very likely that the other (Voice of Wolf z molu es) also is. The good bit of news from this litter is that only one of the pups is affected (DM/DM), but it could have been more...

*Satu · 17-08-2011, 14:22

The responsibility for the litter is a breeder and owner of the breeding male. However, we can not DM the disease gene to reduce the population. We often forget what they are doing and go to extremes. I have a DM sick dog and I know what it is like to live with it but I did not panic with it.

Shadowlands · 17-08-2011, 15:21

Thanks Satu, but your boy was born before it was widely known about the disease. Now the disease is known about, I cannot, in my conscience, breed with an N/DM male knowing that some of the pups have a risk of being affected. I also know that it is possible to alleviate the symptoms if it is known about early enough and that it is not the 'end of the world' to have an affected dog, but for stud dog owners to charge lots of money but not do simple, relatively inexpensive tests for the health of the breed, to me, is nothing short of scandalous.

I will perservere and will find a suitable male. If not, we won't breed this year and wait to find a mate for next year. Just because she is a carrier doesn't mean we won't breed, just that we need to be a little more careful. Good matched males still exist out there

z Peronówki · 24-11-2011, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Satu

The responsibility for the litter is a breeder and owner of the breeding male. However, we can not DM the disease gene to reduce the population. We often forget what they are doing and go to extremes. I have a DM sick dog and I know what it is like to live with it but I did not panic with it.

It is the right point. It is no problem to breed even with DM/DM dogs (if they are worth to be used) because with N/N partners they will give puppies which will be never ill...

If a breeder will make matings acording to this:

DM/DM x N/N
DM/N x N/N
N/N x N/N

he/she will never get ill dogs. And we will not loose any genes...

Sherdor · 17-08-2011, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanninadina

How can in one litter be a dog with DM/DM and N/N like Sherdor posted from the same parents?

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=311

Please watch the first Garderel and the last dogs Gerd.

Christian

Thanks to Shadowland for the explanation...

We "were" lucky... but, Garderel was the puppy i would like to keep as male from this litter... unfortunately, DM tests results decided for us...

The owner has received a strong information about (Lillya also knew everything well because she helped us each 2 afternoons in pups socialization).

Gader'el was the stronggest and best health puppy from the litter...

Shadowlands · 17-08-2011, 18:50

Satu, I just reread what I had posted and think it sounded a bit nasty - I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic or anything, I was genuinely thanking you for pointing out that we have to be careful not to allow this disease gene to narrow the gene pool and affect the future of our beloved breed. Sorry if it came across badly (and I have no excuse as English is my mother tongue!!

)

plume · 18-08-2011, 23:55

BLUE JEAN Du domaine de la combe noire : N/DM
Père: VAICKO PDL N/N
Mère: CORA SPOD DIUMBIERA N/DM

DINOOKA Du Domaine de la combe noire: N/N
Père: AKAYCASH TATRA N/N
Mère: BAKAL Du domaine de la combe noire N/N

plongeuse · 19-08-2011, 01:35

Dog : Eywa du Domaine de la Combe Noire (2009)
Father : Volos Crying Wolf ?
Mother : Backal du Domaine de la Combe Noire N/N

DM testresults : N/DM

16-08-2011, 23:24	#1
Tuky Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cadiz Posts: 294	Kimaris Kay z Peronowki n/DM Aisha Al-hamra de la Manada de Tuky n/n and waiting for the rest of his brothers, I'm very happy __________________ solo con los lobos se aprende a aullar

17-08-2011, 14:22	#5
*Satu Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 194	The responsibility for the litter is a breeder and owner of the breeding male. However, we can not DM the disease gene to reduce the population. We often forget what they are doing and go to extremes. I have a DM sick dog and I know what it is like to live with it but I did not panic with it. __________________ www.csv.fi

17-08-2011, 18:50	#9
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Satu, I just reread what I had posted and think it sounded a bit nasty - I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic or anything, I was genuinely thanking you for pointing out that we have to be careful not to allow this disease gene to narrow the gene pool and affect the future of our beloved breed. Sorry if it came across badly (and I have no excuse as English is my mother tongue!! ) Last edited by Shadowlands; 17-08-2011 at 18:52.

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17-08-2011, 11:03	#2
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	We want to breed again this year but with Shadow being N/DM, need to know the male is N/N. So many stud dog owners seem to still be burying their head in the sand and not getting tested (and not doing so if requested!) - to quote one owner "Of the DM test, I think myself not too much, because I look him in the breed population as inconclusive" - and his rates weren't cheap either, the test costs less than he quotes per puppy!! We are limited in the distance we can travel due to other responsibilities at home and need to also take into consideration the COI of any potential pairing so are getting rather frustrated... Maybe it would be an idea to have an addition in the stud dog listings to say that the test has been done (show the results only if wanted), that way it would save a lot of time and effort for owners of females who are concientious enough to want their puppies healthy. If stud dog owners continue to refuse to carry out the test, this disease is only going to proliferate and the outcome for the breed is not good. Sorry for the rant but I think breeding dog owners need to wake up to the consequences of what they are (or are not) doing...

17-08-2011, 13:47	#3
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	How can in one litter be a dog with DM/DM and N/N like Sherdor posted from the same parents? http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=311 Please watch the first Garderel and the last dogs Gerd. Christian

17-08-2011, 13:54	#4
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	If two N/DM dogs breed, they can have puppies of N/N, N/DM and DM/DM (a 25% chance of N/N and DM/DM and 50% of N/DM). He already stated that one parent (Ckaa'loup-bah MLS) is N/DM, so the results show that it is very likely that the other (Voice of Wolf z molu es) also is. The good bit of news from this litter is that only one of the pups is affected (DM/DM), but it could have been more...

17-08-2011, 15:21	#6
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Thanks Satu, but your boy was born before it was widely known about the disease. Now the disease is known about, I cannot, in my conscience, breed with an N/DM male knowing that some of the pups have a risk of being affected. I also know that it is possible to alleviate the symptoms if it is known about early enough and that it is not the 'end of the world' to have an affected dog, but for stud dog owners to charge lots of money but not do simple, relatively inexpensive tests for the health of the breed, to me, is nothing short of scandalous. I will perservere and will find a suitable male. If not, we won't breed this year and wait to find a mate for next year. Just because she is a carrier doesn't mean we won't breed, just that we need to be a little more careful. Good matched males still exist out there

18-08-2011, 23:55	#10
plume Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: nice Posts: 472	BLUE JEAN Du domaine de la combe noire : N/DM Père: VAICKO PDL N/N Mère: CORA SPOD DIUMBIERA N/DM DINOOKA Du Domaine de la combe noire: N/N Père: AKAYCASH TATRA N/N Mère: BAKAL Du domaine de la combe noire N/N

19-08-2011, 01:35	#11
plongeuse Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Villars-s-Fontenais - Jura Posts: 104	Dog : Eywa du Domaine de la Combe Noire (2009) Father : Volos Crying Wolf ? Mother : Backal du Domaine de la Combe Noire N/N DM testresults : N/DM