DM transmission: DM/DM x DM/DM = N/DM?

wolfin · 28-06-2011, 21:50

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Originally Posted by doublewolf

The puppy now live in France, but she coming from italian litter. Mother Deer Sib de la mollyniere de lo' Scale and father Fenics cosmo daniel.
Both parents testet by Laboklin N/N.
Deer Sib was tested in january and in June. Laboklin confirmed N/N
Now the italian breeder will send a blood sample to Daniela in CZ REP.
For the moment the other puppies aren't DM tested. Belive me, is not so easy to convince people tested our dogs.

in who house live this puppy? are in this house others CSV? have they DM test? who make this DM example?
and two times are tested all 3 dogs? both parents and this puppy too? Sory if I quest this same info but better this make moore time and later know better in who problem can be.

I know but step by step and have moore and moore tested dogs.

Bonfiglioli · 28-06-2011, 22:04

It is very difficult for me to write because I do not know your language. I organized a Meeting on DM with Professor Gandini. (http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/default.htm?UPN = gualtiero. gandini% 40unibo. TabCV & it = TabControl1) Conference was inquired about mating with the results of Rambo and sons. His response was that 1: 1,000,000 is a result of the genre but is a very rare thing. This if only 1 of the children had a result so strange. If the result is more children. Almost impossible. Lorry has done well to give the result that came AFTER that of children. His is a contribution to the race, having exposed this way. I can tell. Prof. Gandini counseled to redo the tests with NEW BLOOD and not always with one already stored, and send it in two different laboratories.
In essence it is impossible to have these results and can be many factors: human error, error of real machines, not parents, little seriousness of someone. There are other explanations. Pity that the test in Italy have been repackaged on the same blood. Useless redo the test as well.

E' molto difficile per me scrivere perchè non conosco bene la vostra lingua. Ho organizzato un meeting sulla MD con il Professor Gandini. ( http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/d...Control1=TabCV ) In conferenza gli è stato domandato circa l'accoppiamento con i risultati di Rambo e figli. La sua risposta è stata che 1 : 1.000.000 è possibile un risultato del genere ma è una cosa molto rara. Questo se solo 1 dei figli avesse dato un risultato così strano. Diverso se il risultato è di più figli. Quasi impossibile. Lorry ha fatto bene a dare il risultato che è arrivato DOPO quello dei figli. Il suo è un contributo alla razza, essersi esposta in questo modo. Io lo posso dire. Il Prof. Gandini consigliava di rifare il test con NUOVO SANGUE e non sempre con quello già stoccato, ed inviarlo in due laboratori diversi.
In sostanza è impossibile avere questi risultati e i fattori possono essere tanti: errore umano, errore delle macchine, genitori non veri, poca serietà di qualcuno. Non ci sono altre spiegazioni. Peccato che i test in Italia siano stati rifatti sullo STESSO sangue. Inutile rifare il test così.

doublewolf · 28-06-2011, 22:10

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Originally Posted by wolfin

in who house live this puppy? are in this house others CSV? have they DM test? who make this DM example?
and two times are tested all 3 dogs? both parents and this puppy too? Sory if I quest this same info but better this make moore time and later know better in who problem can be.

I know but step by step and have moore and moore tested dogs.

The puppy lives in france'house. Not other CVS. Two times was tested only the mother. His father is Sibir. My Fenics is tested only one time . His sister Farah is tested N/N and 4 Farah's descent tested until today are N/N.
The puppy was tested by Laboklin.

wolfin · 28-06-2011, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by doublewolf

The puppy lives in france'house. Not other CVS. Two times was tested only the mother. His father is Sibir. My Fenics is tested only one time . His sister Farah is tested N/N and 4 Farah's descent tested until today are N/N.
The puppy was tested by Laboklin.

ee we speak about Fenics puppy who have falsh result or other puppy?
I realy not know now who is who.

Fenics puppy have a not corect results? he live alone?

sibir puppy too have not corect result - this live alone

parents are tested 1-2 times, puppy are tested -1 time?
dna paternity test are make in all case ? yes? both parents ( fenics liiter and sibir litter?)

Lorry - MLS · 29-06-2011, 10:04

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Originally Posted by wolfin

I realy not know now who is who.

OK ! je recommence les explications, pour la dernière fois :

Fenics Cosmo Daniel Elite (N/N) et Dheer'Sybb MLS (N/N) ont eu des chiots, nés en Italie.

Un chiot a été importé en France
Il a été testé chez Laboklin (comme ses parents)
Le chiot est revenu N/DM ! alors que ses 2 parents sont N/N !

Pour l'instant, les autres chiots de la portée n'ont pas encore été testés

Le père : Fénics a été testé par la sang chez laboklin 1 fois
(mais une 2ème vérification est prévue très prochainement)

La mère : Dheer'Sybb a été testée 2 fois (toujours pas le sang)
Les 2 fois, elle est revenue N/N

Dheer'Sybb est la fille de Sibir qui lui est DM/DM

Voilà, j'espère que cette fois ci vous parvenez à comprendre
"Qui est Qui "

doublewolf · 29-06-2011, 13:37

Lory, tks a lot for explication.I have short of time today, but I think Daiva have no problem to consulting database

wolfin · 29-06-2011, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by doublewolf

Lory, tks a lot for explication.I have short of time today, but I think Daiva have no problem to consulting database

yes thanks

I try this make later

Lorry - MLS · 02-08-2011, 12:33

J'avais promis la transparence.... en voici un nouvel exemple, avec le retour de la preuve de parenté d'une jeune chienne testée N/DM alors qu'elle a ses 2 parents N/N !

La mère est une chienne de mon affixe (c'est d'ailleurs pour celà que je me permets d'en parler ouvertement) : Dheer'Sybb M.L.S (testée 2 fois de suite et revenue 2 fois de suite N/N
Le père est Cosmo Daniel Elite, testé lui aussi N/N

Leur fille est bel et bien leur fille et pourtant testée N/DM !

Pour rappel, Dheer'Sybb est la "fameuse" fille de Sibir Crying Wolf, revenue 2 fois N/N, alors que son père est DM/DM (testé par Daniela, en Tchéquie)

Alors, je veux bien lire "ce n'est pas possible !" mais dans ce cas là qu'on me donne une explication sur la crédibilité de cette impossibilité, alors même que c'est tout de même le 4ème cas relevé !

Je tiens à présicer qu'on ne s'amuse pas à dépenser de l'argent dans des tests de filiation ou de dépistage ou (re)vérification, pour le simple plaisir, ensuite de les fausser ....
Alors merci d'éviter les sous entendus de "miracle" et Cie !

28-06-2011, 22:04	#2
Bonfiglioli "Zia Bonfi"-Distinguished Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,642	It is very difficult for me to write because I do not know your language. I organized a Meeting on DM with Professor Gandini. (http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/default.htm?UPN = gualtiero. gandini% 40unibo. TabCV & it = TabControl1) Conference was inquired about mating with the results of Rambo and sons. His response was that 1: 1,000,000 is a result of the genre but is a very rare thing. This if only 1 of the children had a result so strange. If the result is more children. Almost impossible. Lorry has done well to give the result that came AFTER that of children. His is a contribution to the race, having exposed this way. I can tell. Prof. Gandini counseled to redo the tests with NEW BLOOD and not always with one already stored, and send it in two different laboratories. In essence it is impossible to have these results and can be many factors: human error, error of real machines, not parents, little seriousness of someone. There are other explanations. Pity that the test in Italy have been repackaged on the same blood. Useless redo the test as well. E' molto difficile per me scrivere perchè non conosco bene la vostra lingua. Ho organizzato un meeting sulla MD con il Professor Gandini. ( http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/d...Control1=TabCV ) In conferenza gli è stato domandato circa l'accoppiamento con i risultati di Rambo e figli. La sua risposta è stata che 1 : 1.000.000 è possibile un risultato del genere ma è una cosa molto rara. Questo se solo 1 dei figli avesse dato un risultato così strano. Diverso se il risultato è di più figli. Quasi impossibile. Lorry ha fatto bene a dare il risultato che è arrivato DOPO quello dei figli. Il suo è un contributo alla razza, essersi esposta in questo modo. Io lo posso dire. Il Prof. Gandini consigliava di rifare il test con NUOVO SANGUE e non sempre con quello già stoccato, ed inviarlo in due laboratori diversi. In sostanza è impossibile avere questi risultati e i fattori possono essere tanti: errore umano, errore delle macchine, genitori non veri, poca serietà di qualcuno. Non ci sono altre spiegazioni. Peccato che i test in Italia siano stati rifatti sullo STESSO sangue. Inutile rifare il test così. __________________ Alessandra Presidente G.A.L.C. 2 www.ilcantodeilupi.com

29-06-2011, 13:37	#6
doublewolf doublewolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Favria-TO Posts: 121	Lory, tks a lot for explication.I have short of time today, but I think Daiva have no problem to consulting database __________________ Silvana, Walter e Farah e Fenics e Sweety e .....Best Baloo e.... i felini di casa

02-08-2011, 12:33	#8
Lorry - MLS Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 988	J'avais promis la transparence.... en voici un nouvel exemple, avec le retour de la preuve de parenté d'une jeune chienne testée N/DM alors qu'elle a ses 2 parents N/N ! La mère est une chienne de mon affixe (c'est d'ailleurs pour celà que je me permets d'en parler ouvertement) : Dheer'Sybb M.L.S (testée 2 fois de suite et revenue 2 fois de suite N/N Le père est Cosmo Daniel Elite, testé lui aussi N/N Leur fille est bel et bien leur fille et pourtant testée N/DM ! Pour rappel, Dheer'Sybb est la "fameuse" fille de Sibir Crying Wolf, revenue 2 fois N/N, alors que son père est DM/DM (testé par Daniela, en Tchéquie) Alors, je veux bien lire "ce n'est pas possible !" mais dans ce cas là qu'on me donne une explication sur la crédibilité de cette impossibilité, alors même que c'est tout de même le 4ème cas relevé ! Je tiens à présicer qu'on ne s'amuse pas à dépenser de l'argent dans des tests de filiation ou de dépistage ou (re)vérification, pour le simple plaisir, ensuite de les fausser .... Alors merci d'éviter les sous entendus de "miracle" et Cie ! __________________ Les éléments présents sur la BD de WD, concernant mes chiens / ma production, sont en grande partie erronés. Pour obtenir de vraies informations, il est plus sage de me contacter directement .....

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