Wolfdogs with fake FCI pedigrees in Italy

[Ricky's Wolf]

Originally Posted by Admin

It is a pity but it seems you are right - I think we start to have problems also with Italian breeders. Yesterday and today I received two emails from different sources with information about very suspicious "Italian" dog which lives in France right now. The dog is a AWD and is totally different than the rest of the litter. "Funny" - it was sold from Italy to "de la Louve blanche" kennel. (all suspicios cases lead ALWAYS to the same source and the same persons are involved)

It seems that this Wolfdog was replaced by a American Wolfdog. The question is if it was done with the knowlegde of the breeder (if he chated the pedigree) or the dog was replaced with AWD already in France (without knowledge of the Italian breeder).

It is about this dog:
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/11123

I spoke with some breeders and they confirmed that the puppy on the first photo (which I received from the breeder directly) DO NOT MATCH with the dog which photos are put later by the French breeder.

And when I look on the photos of the puppies of Blood's Lykan - they are 100% Saarloos alike (they are not purebreed). I must come to the same conclusion that we have another case of pedigree cheating in France (Italy?).

Good evening,
I feel duty-bound at this point to clarify my position on this matter, especially for the respect I have and that I receive from many people who are part of our race, by the owners to breeders or enthusiasts

Admin: before you write on the forum, was not a problem to write to me on my email asking for explanations.
I would have responded and informed of my position without any problems since I have always worked with the site wolfdog.org and as I have shown forever.
I have no secrets of nothing people for my work.

I give the dog to Frank Capiez to 60 days, with all the necessary documentation as I have always done with all my puppies.
The dog is given a sweet and beautiful female puppy that you see in the picture:


The regular pedigree puppy in question came to my house after several months, because in Italy in the past to make a Pedigree ENCI we put 8 / 10 months, and I personally sent it to Frank who later I confirmed that it received.
In website of ENCI www.enci.it if you search "libro genealogico" you can find all dogs whit pedigree, also Bloond's of pedigree.

Seeing the pictures and seeing the dog in January I can not say that's Bloond resembles his brothers and sisters because it is different in appearance.
I am also thinking of why a person trip from Paris to Rome, pay the dog and incurs expenditure and change it?

IF something happened or if there was, as you say, some exchange is important that everyone knows that I do not know anything. The puppy that I have given to Frank is the photo.

I regret a little 'we have been, even if indirectly, any doubts about my work and that is why I am here writing in respect to knowledge of all.

Many people know who I am and how I work and I hope that many other people in the future will have the chance to know me and my way of working.
I hope to have been clear in making you understand my position in aswert at your post.

Greetings all

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Runningwolf

The dog is given a sweet and beautiful female puppy that you see in the picture:

Even if this dog was replaced to have its registration and pedigree papers hung on a mixed breed, I hope that this dog is happy in a family now that cares for her, and not just simply 'disappeared'........................

[massimo]

Just for your information and to speak about FACTS, i personally saw the entire litter and I was with Ricardo and Frank when he took the puppy to France.
The picture shown was taken by ME and I confirm that this dog was looking just like all the others, nothing special or different.
the rest of the pics are here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_...7615434271797/

The dog shown in THIS picture
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/11123
for me does not correspond to the same dog, but this is just my own personal opinion, not a fact.

[whitefang]

What about chip or tattoo - no possibility to proof it?

[Jennin Lauma]

^^ Massimo: this is just an amazing picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_...7622782135796/
Some photogenic weather you got there! Wow! The wolfdogs fits perfectly in that landscape.

(Sorry, OT)

[lupis]

is real shit what french breeders do. i think for this - for replacing a puppy the french kennel club must kick such breeders out. something like this is not possible in normal country!

[admin]

Originally Posted by Runningwolf

Admin: before you write on the forum, was not a problem to write to me on my email asking for explanations.
I would have responded and informed of my position without any problems since I have always worked with the site wolfdog.org and as I have shown forever.
I have no secrets of nothing people for my work.

I will be honest with you. Yes, I kept you (and still keep) for a responsible breeder who was (and is) always fair. But for me it was unbelievable that a French breeder would dare to buy a puppy from you and replace it late with a AWD-mix (and when we look on the photos it is obvious that it is the case here). I couldn't believe that someone could feel so untouchable by the French kennel club and the FCI that he would dare to make something like this.

Originally Posted by massimo

Just for your information and to speak about FACTS, i personally saw the entire litter and I was with Ricardo and Frank when he took the puppy to France.
The picture shown was taken by ME and I confirm that this dog was looking just like all the others, nothing special or different.
the rest of the pics are here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oliver_...7615434271797/

The dog shown in THIS picture
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/11123
for me does not correspond to the same dog, but this is just my own personal opinion, not a fact.

I asked for the same several breeders and I received the same answer - the puppy showed on the photo would never grow to the adult dog looking like this on photos.

The question is: what you plan to do? Should ENCI be involved? As it seems that the Italian dog was replaced? Or SCC - because different dog was registered with fake pedigree (the dog shows on shows in France is not the dog sold from Italy)?

[Ricky's Wolf]

Originally Posted by Admin

But for me it was unbelievable that a French breeder would dare to buy a puppy from you and replace it late with a AWD-mix

Also me!
now I still can not believe this, and you have to know that I'm very sad and angry for this situation because I am very fond of all my dogs!


I don't know what happened...I think continue about this.

What to do?
I don't know...now...I'm thinking.

[Navarre]

I know Riccardo, he is a responsable breeder, he loves and take care of his puppies and for sure he isn' t involved in any way with this french shit.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Runningwolf

I don't know what happened...I think continue about this.

What to do?
I don't know...now...I'm thinking.

If I were you, I'd turn to my domestic Kennel Club and ask for help for dealing with the problem. I belive this is their role and obligation. Even if the local Breed Club is weak and unwilling to act (well, I don't know, just speculate), the Italian Kennel Club should have legal means to oficially support you and represent you at FCI.

Some official enquiry between the KCs should be made to DNA test the dog at the lab indicated by you with your lawyer being present, and the parentage should be checked. Should the results be correct, you'll have to cover the costs of the test (I hope your friends and other breeders or Italian Breed club would help you financially in such case), if not - the French Kennel Club/FCI should take action against the owner. They should also take action against the pup owner should he refuse to let the dog be tested.

I keep reading about the indolence of the kennel clubs and breed clubs and find it really weird. What is the reason for their existnce if they do nothing to save the breed from abuse? Aren't there any statuses, can't their heads communicate, organize some action plan and start its implementation?
It sadly seems their activites have been limited to pedigrees issuing and organization of dog shows

[massimo]

Rona
the kennel clubs are interested just in ONE thing...MONEY MONEY MONEY!

As for Riccardo, he is member of the Italian CSW club board...

[Rona]

Originally Posted by massimo

As for Riccardo, he is member of the Italian CSW club board...

Over the last few years I've heard of several cases of CSV pups disappearance, mysterious sudden pup deaths never confirmed by any vets, resales of pups from solid kennels to puppy mills by the new owners, etc. etc. I'm not the best informed person since I don't breed, nor go to meetings, camps or shows ... so apparently there must be many, many more similar cases.

The indolence of KCs is really very short-sighted. What's happened to Riccardo, tomorrow may happen to any other breeder. I just don't understand such lack of solidarity and unwillingness to cooperate among people who claim to be honest and to love the breed

Maybe in the face of the crisis, it's time for new elections in the breed/kennel clubs in some countries?

[Jennin Lauma]

Originally Posted by Rona

IIt sadly seems their activites have been limited to pedigrees issuing and organization of dog shows

=Collecting money. That's what they do best.