Link to bonitation code

[Morian]

Originally Posted by saschia

political thing

exactly
i always tell to all people here that they must pass bonitation etc., but what to say when people see too different results? i want to joke a little - i will make bonitation for my own dog at all possible judges... just to see the difference but i'm afraid that result of such experiment will be too disappointing for me i'm sure that it's possible for the same dog to get p14 from one judge and p1 from another... what sense?

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Morian

exactly
i always tell to all people here that they must pass bonitation etc., but what to say when people see too different results? i want to joke a little - i will make bonitation for my own dog at all possible judges... just to see the difference but i'm afraid that result of such experiment will be too disappointing for me i'm sure that it's possible for the same dog to get p14 from one judge and p1 from another... what sense?

No sense That's why I chose the other option and will not bonitate my CSV.

However, I agree with what Margo wrote on the Polish wd the other day: that owners who do not intend to bonitate their dogs should agree to have them properly measured by a bonitation commission for the sake of the breed development. If such option is made available, I have no objection to have my dog measured.

[Morian]

totally agree with you
but the problem is that even only measurments can be done not too honestly. i know some examples, i even have 2 copies of boniation cards where it's visible that results was edited by the judge (!), but indexes remained correct. also i saw as minimum 2 wolfdogs which surely have wrong indexes in their codes... so i came to the conclusion - i can measure my own dogs honestly just to know their faults, there is no need to pass such bonitations where only personal politics matter. but ok, i will pass bonitation with all my wolfdogs just pro forma. sorry for my herecy, yes

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Morian

totally agree with you
but the problem is that even only measurments can be done not too honestly. i know some examples, i even have 2 copies of boniation cards where it's visible that results was edited by the judge (!), but indexes remained correct. also i saw as minimum 2 wolfdogs which surely have wrong indexes in their codes... so i came to the conclusion - i can measure my own dogs honestly just to know their faults, there is no need to pass such bonitations where only personal politics matter. but ok, i will pass bonitation with all my wolfdogs just pro forma. sorry for my herecy, yes

Well, that's the essence of my point. If the dog is measured at a bonitation, his owner wants to get the highest P possible, so he/she with the help of a friendly judge may be tempted to 'stretch' the results. (which, as we all know, sometimes happens)

If the measurments are to be taken solely for the databse of vlcak breed (I doubt if the size of the dog's scull or length of his legs would matter for a plain, normal owner ) - there'd be no sense to cheat.
I don't have a measure a home and don't know how to measure the dog properly... besides, the measurment has to been done officially if it is to appear in the database. In this case if the judge measured my dog wrongly, it would be neither my problem, nor my dog's )

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Rona

Well, that's the essence of my point. If the dog is measured at a bonitation, his owner wants to get the highest P possible, so he/she with the help of a friendly judge may be tempted to 'stretch' the results. (which, as we all know, sometimes happens)

If the measurments are to be taken solely for the databse of vlcak breed (I doubt if the size of the dog's scull or length of his legs would matter for a plain, normal owner ) - there'd be no sense to cheat.
I don't have a measure a home and don't know how to measure the dog properly... besides, the measurment has to been done officially if it is to appear in the database. In this case if the judge measured my dog wrongly, it would be neither my problem, nor my dog's )

In Pozna, Poland this year we went to a youth presentation & bonitation and it was as you wrote here, Roma.

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by Rona

No sense That's why I chose the other option and will not bonitate my CSV.

However, I agree with what Margo wrote on the Polish wd the other day: that owners who do not intend to bonitate their dogs should agree to have them properly measured by a bonitation commission for the sake of the breed development. If such option is made available, I have no objection to have my dog measured.

I too would agree to this, indeed would like to have it done . Our biggest issue would be that the distance involved may be too great for the owners of our dogs - maybe there could be several dates all around Europe (from here Greece, Bulgaria and Romania could be served). Who would we need to speak to to try to organise something?

[Morian]

sadie, let's go to slovakia in july