Pollux needs a new home (Florida - USA)

Backman · 05-06-2011, 22:03

Okay, I do not usually wirte here on forum, but this is almost too much, on international forum too....

First If you want a dog, have thought over it and is ready to take a new family member, then get a Golden Retriever or som other nice pet.

If you really are not like all other friends and people, are ready to offer your life, your world for to socialize a little adorable CzW puppy, share moments of love, hate and all in all understanding, think over it not once, not twice, but you should almost be sleepless of worrying am I the right person for this breed. Because there is seldom falut in puppy or young dog, it is in 95% of the cases in the upper end of the leash the problems start.

I have followed here Pollux story, from importing, from blackmailing Edit for sending dog, to successful training news and good news. And suddelly he is searching for new home. Has something happend, if he is unpredicatble in your eyes?

To EARN the trust of a wolfdog is not like owning a Golden Retriever or some other nice regular pet.
Maybe you should think twice to search for him a new home now, because young age, insecure of the whole world, lost home changeing wolfdog is not the best dog to send on to a new home. The pictures tell me he needs time, and that collar, what is that ? Is he a monster or is it beautiful to have lot of chains around dogs neck?????

If he is shy, it is your responsibility to give him time, YOU CAN NOT GET A CZ WOLFDOG
and think he will be perfect service dog, far from all CzW are suitable for working. And the buyer should have read so much about the breed that they know what dogs these are.

This is why I tell people that are interested in this breed for whatever reason, work, family, to get a regular pet, because they do not know anything about them, and if told, some seem not to understand.

The ones that come visit me and my dogs several times, spend time, show me that they are "dogpeople, and loves wolves and are able to understand the breed, those are people that could be future puppy buyers.. and even how much you trust puppy buyer and theur sotires bla bla bla.. they can be bad homes.
But Somebody helping somebody to get a CzW and has seen maybe only a few dogs of this breed can not know what they are buying.

I imported my first CzW without seeing it in february 2007, and I had never seen in real life A CzW. It was not easy, but I was very much prepared for whatever was to come with shy puppy. IT TAKES TIME, some dogs (like people too) develop slower, might need more soft training and a lot of understanding. Today I have 6 CzW, all different in heart and soul, all very kind, and some more good for training, some not at all, but ALL OF THEM ARE BOUGHT TO BE LOVED FAMILY MEMBERS!
And each one of them means the world to me ! no matter if little shy or little bit unpredictable in some situations in young age...

A Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is in my eyes adult and stabile in the age 3,5-4 years. So dont give up..

This is why my heart breakes when reading these kind of stories on international forum. A lot of dogs change homes, a lot of dogs are beeing put to sleep, because owners do not know what they are buying and breeder make mistake and sell/place puppy to bad homes. And I find that very sad

But so it is, and nobody is perfect breeder or buyer,

I Hope you could be little more mature and give him some time, and remember, that even though you have other dogs that are able to be trained to service dogs, Pollux is also a pet, that needs lot of love and understanding for what he is. Remember he is young, give him time, please think of what a re-homeing again would make him more shy and insecure, it is not easy for all individuals of CzW to trust people, and if he cant have a "home" a safe place where to be relaxed and feel loved, he might maybe never be able to trust people like others.

I have re-homed a puppy (1 year) CzW that had lived in bad conditions, and he is today a happy family dog, but will probably forever be very insecure and shy for strangers. And I had him for a few months to see what he was as 11 months old, and I saw potential and understood him, I decided he could move,he was very afraid of everything, even that the sky would fall over him. He could only move to special home, with a girl that has very big heart an a great love for wolves, she understand him, they are now best friends. If I had not found her, I would not have given him away, because it is my responsibility, my dog.

But I think regular dog trainer for GSD or other working dog breeds are too hard to understand our sensitive breed. They are not problem dogs, they need understanding and a very strong leader in mind, to be a safe friend if shy.
Everything is possible, but please think twice. It is YOUR responsibility. All your writeing about him makes everything so un nessecary WORL WIDE. Isn't it most important to concentrate on the dog, not telling the whole world you have a problem on this so "friendly" forum.............

Best Regards,
Jenny
Finland
www.foreverwolf.nettisivu.org

draggar · 05-06-2011, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

Why has this puppy this type of collar? Has he any serious problem? Or?....

We had a problem with him trying to run back into the house (to the point of almost dislocating shoulders). The pinch collar stopped it plus we also feel it is the most secure type of collar you can get that isn't a choke (we don't like to use choke collars).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael

Is there a reason way you want to show him like this...
Whit the tail between the legs I mean, is he very shy ???

If not, I would try to get better photos fast...

It´s hard to find a grown Vlcak a good home, even a really good one, if they are shy it is even harder...
Can you give us all a smal presentation of how he is ???

Very best regards / Mikael

His tail is down but not completely tucked but also, he's smiling in the pictures. He's odd, he's very outgoing at the dog park, has even walked up to strangers and kisses them at the dog park.

Watch the videos of him at schutzhund, you'll see a confident and playful dog.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Backman

I have followed here Pollux story, from importing, from blackmailing Edit for sending dog, to successful training news and good news. And suddelly he is searching for new home. Has something happend, if he is unpredicatble in your eyes?

Do I really need to answer this question again? Please go back and re-read what I've posted before you start ranting again. Read why he is at our home now and why we're the ones taking care of him.

Seriously, I'm on the verge of asking the admins to delete this thread. I'm starting to think it was a waste of time asking for help here.

Mikael · 05-06-2011, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by draggar

His tail is down but not completely tucked but also, he's smiling in the pictures. He's odd, he's very outgoing at the dog park, has even walked up to strangers and kisses them at the dog park.

Watch the videos of him at schutzhund, you'll see a confident and playful dog.

OK, can you put up that video (instead of the photos) it might help him to get a new home

Best regards / Mikael

PS, that kind of collars are forbidden by law i many EU country´s ( if not all) that is way people are woundering... Here in Sweden it is animal cruelty to use them, if you mean this kind >>> http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&rl...pinch%20collar , DS.

draggar · 05-06-2011, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael

OK, can you put up that video (instead of the photos) it might help him to get a new home

Best regards / Mikael

You mean like here?

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18713

Quote:

PS, that kind of collars are forbidden by law i many EU country´s ( if not all) that is way people are woundering... Here in Sweden it is animal cruelty to use them, DS.

That's a different debate for a different thread.

Mikael · 05-06-2011, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by draggar

You mean like here?

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18713

YES ! thats better

Thanks / Mikael

tupacs2legs · 06-06-2011, 00:42

[quote]

Quote:

Originally Posted by draggar

We had a problem with him trying to run back into the house (to the point of almost dislocating shoulders). The pinch collar stopped it plus we also feel it is the most secure type of collar you can get that isn't a choke (we don't like to use choke collars).

oh im sure it stopped it

re secure collars,i have siberian huskys,escape artists to the extreme! no need for prongs with them...a safe 'racing' collar which doesnt choke or hurt is what i use!

or a simple 'head collar' whilst training..pinch are for the lazy( and cruel )that want a quick fix!

time, patience,trust and understanding is what dogs need

draggar · 06-06-2011, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

oh im sure it stopped it

re secure collars,i have siberian huskys,escape artists to the extreme! no need for prongs with them...a safe 'racing' collar which doesnt choke or hurt is what i use!

or a simple 'head collar' whilst training..pinch are for the lazy( and cruel )that want a quick fix!

time, patience,trust and understanding is what dogs need

Your life must be pretty perfect to have to come here to dictate to others how they should live their lives while putting them down in the process. Do I really need to get into Pollux's entire history just to justify everything? Do you know what we've done? No. Do you know how much time and energy we've spent on him? No. So why are you coming out as an expert on his situation? Every dog is different and just because something works with one dog doesn't mean it'll work with all dogs.

Also, I now hope that the admins DO NOT delete this thread so that when new people come here they'll see the trule colors of the community. We tried to do the right thing and after months of reabilitating Pollux we post that we're looking for a new home and instead of help I get ridiculed and everyting is being analyzed - as well as people making false assumptions about us and Pollux's situation.

At least now I know who would be willing to help in the future and who will just compalin. I guess the old saying is true, no good deed goes unpunished.

Added: Also, I'm done defending myself. Don't expect a response if you post anything other than help.

yukidomari · 06-06-2011, 19:37

Well, sorry you felt attacked. I think some were really trying to help.

I think, for one, that Pollux ought to be fixed and re-homed with whatever nice pet home you can find - anywhere in the US, or anywhere that wants him and can provide for him, really. Can you really not find a nice home for him? He's a young, healthy (I assume), free dog with some basic training behind him. On top of that he's of a rare breed. Maybe put him on Petfinder. I've found nice homes for many 'less desirable' fosters that way, ones of a common breed (or even mix), old, ill health, etc.

I don't think it's especially fair to him to 'hold out' on a new home waiting for one in your area which would be convenient to you, especially since things seem to be getting busy with your other dogs.

draggar · 06-06-2011, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Well, sorry you felt attacked. I think some were really trying to help.

I think, for one, that Pollux ought to be fixed and re-homed with whatever nice pet home you can find - anywhere in the US, or anywhere that wants him and can provide for him, really. Can you really not find a nice home for him? He's a young, healthy (I assume), free dog with some basic training behind him. On top of that he's of a rare breed. Maybe put him on Petfinder. I've found nice homes for many 'less desirable' fosters that way, ones of a common breed (or even mix), old, ill health, etc.

I don't think it's especially fair to him to 'hold out' on a new home waiting for one in your area which would be convenient to you, especially since things seem to be getting busy with your other dogs.

Some poeople do seem to want to help but it's the lynch mob mentality others have provided.

As for Pollux, we are going to hold out for the perfect home for him (and that he's perfect for the home). Yes, we've love it if he was local but if the right home pops up and it's not local then so be it. Vlcaks are not an easy breed and many people think they are busy quickly learn otherwise. They need to realzie that it can be a highly energenic breed with even higher stamina (he and Luna will play for hours and hours!). One advantage of him being local is that my wife would still be able to work on him (training) and they could go to our schutzhund club where they know him and we know they concentrate on the dog's development (and not politics).

The home should be willing to work him in schutzhund, even if it is just the play aspect. He loves it and it's been a huge confidence builder for him (and the socalizatrion time doesn't hurt, either). He loves to go to parks where he can run around off a leash (like a dog park) - and he runs fast, faster than many greyhounds we've seen. He loves his people and loves to lie on the couch and cuddle with his people (well, more like like ON TOP of his people, he thinks he's a lot smaller than he actually is). He's michievious (sp?) and knows how to get into trouble so he'll also need a lot of supervision especially in the beginning. He is a lot smarter than he'll lead you to believe, too.

tupacs2legs · 06-06-2011, 21:24

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QUOTE=tupacs2legs;383246]i guess people are just passionate and protective about the breed,i dont think its personal,your 'friends' imo had money to burn and they bought their latest 'whim' and got bored...then passed the problem on,and sadly its you having to deal with it and what comes with it.

i really hope he finds a home with someone that understands him and that he stays there forever this time....i wish you and him luck in doing this[/QUOTE

draggar

ive highlighted the bits of the post of mine you choose to ignore.....

i am not being judgemental or a 'lynch mob' i even apologised earlier on in this thread,i understand the situation you are in and it doesn't bear thinking about where pollux would be without you.

wont agree with pinch collars though,but as you rightly said thats for another thread

Gypsy Wolf · 06-06-2011, 22:55

Pollux will stay with us until the right home is found - I am not "holding out" for a more "convenient" home, but rather a local home to be able to help with his adjustment and training, not to mention the fact that I can't do a home check in Idaho.
My biggest worry is that BECAUSE he is a rare breed - and stunningly gorgeous - he will not necessarily attract the right people. At least if he is relatively local, I can sort of keep an eye out and help as needed, or even take him back... I have visions of approving a home in Idaho only for the people to dump him in their local shelter after a month or two...
And there are very few folks who could do a home check for me in Idaho and be truthful about the nature of the breed - so few people have experience.
He has a place here in our home for now - even though it stretches our ability and I feel badly that he is 1 of 5 dogs instead of 1 of 2 or 3 (he needs to be in a multi-dog home), and he does not lack for attention, love or spoiling (every one of the dogs we have ever boarded or fostered are part of the pack and treated as such). As you have seen - I post his successes such as Schutzhund bitework, etc. I just think we could find him a better home where he would get more than we can give him.
We are in no rush to kick him out - I am very selective with homes - and I will make sure it is the best placement for his success - even if it takes months or years to find... He really is an amazing dog and if we weren't already at our limit, I would say he would stay with us forever, but time and space are limited.
So thank you to all of you who have supported us and understand our situation - certainly not one I would wish on anyone, but as I feel a certain responsibility to the breed and to Pollux himself, I have taken on this situation...

yukidomari · 06-06-2011, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

Pollux will stay with us until the right home is found - I am not "holding out" for a more "convenient" home, but rather a local home to be able to help with his adjustment and training, not to mention the fact that I can't do a home check in Idaho.

Well, .. home checks - many breed rescues will do that - to some criticism since it severely limits the area in which they can provide assistance to.. I can also say that I brought my Vlcak without a home check, as well as many others I can probably assume!

In short, I think there IS a perfect home out there for him.. right now, even. You just have to spread your search out.. yes, there are things about Vlcaks that are different than other dogs (like all dogs), but there are also some first-time dog owners here with Vlcaks and doing fine.

I think probably it's more a matter of dedication and less a matter of experience ultimately.

I would say as advice, to never limit your options!

Hanka · 07-06-2011, 08:29

Hi Draggar, thank you very much for your answer about collar. I think, if puppy is "soft", more submissive, not so strong in his mind, so using of this collar is very bad reason. I don´t agree with you.
But I thank you for your answer and explain.

tupacs2legs · 06-06-2011, 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by draggar

Seriously, I'm on the verge of asking the admins to delete this thread. I'm starting to think it was a waste of time asking for help here.

i guess people are just passionate and protective about the breed,i dont think its personal,your 'friends' imo had money to burn and they bought their latest 'whim' and got bored...then passed the problem on,and sadly its you having to deal with it and what comes with it.

i really hope he finds a home with someone that understands him and that he stays there forever this time....i wish you and him luck in doing this.

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05-06-2011, 22:03	#1
Backman Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 22	Okay, I do not usually wirte here on forum, but this is almost too much, on international forum too.... First If you want a dog, have thought over it and is ready to take a new family member, then get a Golden Retriever or som other nice pet. If you really are not like all other friends and people, are ready to offer your life, your world for to socialize a little adorable CzW puppy, share moments of love, hate and all in all understanding, think over it not once, not twice, but you should almost be sleepless of worrying am I the right person for this breed. Because there is seldom falut in puppy or young dog, it is in 95% of the cases in the upper end of the leash the problems start. I have followed here Pollux story, from importing, from blackmailing Edit for sending dog, to successful training news and good news. And suddelly he is searching for new home. Has something happend, if he is unpredicatble in your eyes? To EARN the trust of a wolfdog is not like owning a Golden Retriever or some other nice regular pet. Maybe you should think twice to search for him a new home now, because young age, insecure of the whole world, lost home changeing wolfdog is not the best dog to send on to a new home. The pictures tell me he needs time, and that collar, what is that ? Is he a monster or is it beautiful to have lot of chains around dogs neck????? If he is shy, it is your responsibility to give him time, YOU CAN NOT GET A CZ WOLFDOG and think he will be perfect service dog, far from all CzW are suitable for working. And the buyer should have read so much about the breed that they know what dogs these are. This is why I tell people that are interested in this breed for whatever reason, work, family, to get a regular pet, because they do not know anything about them, and if told, some seem not to understand. The ones that come visit me and my dogs several times, spend time, show me that they are "dogpeople, and loves wolves and are able to understand the breed, those are people that could be future puppy buyers.. and even how much you trust puppy buyer and theur sotires bla bla bla.. they can be bad homes. But Somebody helping somebody to get a CzW and has seen maybe only a few dogs of this breed can not know what they are buying. I imported my first CzW without seeing it in february 2007, and I had never seen in real life A CzW. It was not easy, but I was very much prepared for whatever was to come with shy puppy. IT TAKES TIME, some dogs (like people too) develop slower, might need more soft training and a lot of understanding. Today I have 6 CzW, all different in heart and soul, all very kind, and some more good for training, some not at all, but ALL OF THEM ARE BOUGHT TO BE LOVED FAMILY MEMBERS! And each one of them means the world to me ! no matter if little shy or little bit unpredictable in some situations in young age... A Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is in my eyes adult and stabile in the age 3,5-4 years. So dont give up.. This is why my heart breakes when reading these kind of stories on international forum. A lot of dogs change homes, a lot of dogs are beeing put to sleep, because owners do not know what they are buying and breeder make mistake and sell/place puppy to bad homes. And I find that very sad But so it is, and nobody is perfect breeder or buyer, I Hope you could be little more mature and give him some time, and remember, that even though you have other dogs that are able to be trained to service dogs, Pollux is also a pet, that needs lot of love and understanding for what he is. Remember he is young, give him time, please think of what a re-homeing again would make him more shy and insecure, it is not easy for all individuals of CzW to trust people, and if he cant have a "home" a safe place where to be relaxed and feel loved, he might maybe never be able to trust people like others. I have re-homed a puppy (1 year) CzW that had lived in bad conditions, and he is today a happy family dog, but will probably forever be very insecure and shy for strangers. And I had him for a few months to see what he was as 11 months old, and I saw potential and understood him, I decided he could move,he was very afraid of everything, even that the sky would fall over him. He could only move to special home, with a girl that has very big heart an a great love for wolves, she understand him, they are now best friends. If I had not found her, I would not have given him away, because it is my responsibility, my dog. But I think regular dog trainer for GSD or other working dog breeds are too hard to understand our sensitive breed. They are not problem dogs, they need understanding and a very strong leader in mind, to be a safe friend if shy. Everything is possible, but please think twice. It is YOUR responsibility. All your writeing about him makes everything so un nessecary WORL WIDE. Isn't it most important to concentrate on the dog, not telling the whole world you have a problem on this so "friendly" forum............. Best Regards, Jenny Finland www.foreverwolf.nettisivu.org

06-06-2011, 19:37	#8
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Well, sorry you felt attacked. I think some were really trying to help. I think, for one, that Pollux ought to be fixed and re-homed with whatever nice pet home you can find - anywhere in the US, or anywhere that wants him and can provide for him, really. Can you really not find a nice home for him? He's a young, healthy (I assume), free dog with some basic training behind him. On top of that he's of a rare breed. Maybe put him on Petfinder. I've found nice homes for many 'less desirable' fosters that way, ones of a common breed (or even mix), old, ill health, etc. I don't think it's especially fair to him to 'hold out' on a new home waiting for one in your area which would be convenient to you, especially since things seem to be getting busy with your other dogs.

06-06-2011, 22:55	#11
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Pollux will stay with us until the right home is found - I am not "holding out" for a more "convenient" home, but rather a local home to be able to help with his adjustment and training, not to mention the fact that I can't do a home check in Idaho. My biggest worry is that BECAUSE he is a rare breed - and stunningly gorgeous - he will not necessarily attract the right people. At least if he is relatively local, I can sort of keep an eye out and help as needed, or even take him back... I have visions of approving a home in Idaho only for the people to dump him in their local shelter after a month or two... And there are very few folks who could do a home check for me in Idaho and be truthful about the nature of the breed - so few people have experience. He has a place here in our home for now - even though it stretches our ability and I feel badly that he is 1 of 5 dogs instead of 1 of 2 or 3 (he needs to be in a multi-dog home), and he does not lack for attention, love or spoiling (every one of the dogs we have ever boarded or fostered are part of the pack and treated as such). As you have seen - I post his successes such as Schutzhund bitework, etc. I just think we could find him a better home where he would get more than we can give him. We are in no rush to kick him out - I am very selective with homes - and I will make sure it is the best placement for his success - even if it takes months or years to find... He really is an amazing dog and if we weren't already at our limit, I would say he would stay with us forever, but time and space are limited. So thank you to all of you who have supported us and understand our situation - certainly not one I would wish on anyone, but as I feel a certain responsibility to the breed and to Pollux himself, I have taken on this situation...

07-06-2011, 08:29	#13
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hi Draggar, thank you very much for your answer about collar. I think, if puppy is "soft", more submissive, not so strong in his mind, so using of this collar is very bad reason. I don´t agree with you. But I thank you for your answer and explain.