feeding pup cwd

[draggar]

Putting the chicken under hot water is to kill any microbes (like e-coli) on the aurface of the chicken (whcih is normally killed in cooking but this isn't cooked).

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by draggar

Putting the chicken under hot water is to kill any microbes (like e-coli) on the aurface of the chicken (whcih is normally killed in cooking but this isn't cooked).

I just wonder who puts the chicken under hot water for wolves in a forest? When a dog eats raw meat and bones, his stomach "juice" become very acid - so acid, that no bacterias from chicken can harm one. This is the reason why dog should not be fed "mixed" food like kibble and meat at once, this may lead to gastritus.
Pixie, table scraps are for pigs, not for dogs. Could you also please use punctuation marks?.. It is so difficult to understand what you are writting and whome...

[Silvester]

Vaiva is right. Dogs - if they are feeded with "Barf" , means with natural raw food - are just like wild canines very well adapted to eat ANY raw meet, even if it´s already stinking... Like hyeanas they can also feed on cadavers without getting any problems in health. Our dogs are dogs , not humans inside a fur- coat. In nature, wolves , coyotes and foxes are not only predators but also play the role of garbage collectors as well, means they eliminate and remove cadavers.

Best regards, Silvester

[draggar]

We could take your debate even further - dogs evolved eating our refuse (garbage) - vlcaks are still mostly dog (as opposed to wolf). Should we let them eat out of the garbage cans?

The reason we do it is because there is a lot of bad bacteria that can grow on raw chicken, especially on the surface. While te chances are low that it can make them sick, why not take 5 minutes and make it even lower? I don't see any negative to rinsing the chicken under hot water (and letting it cool a little before serving) - cooked chicken meat (not bones) and organs aren't bad for dogs and it's not hot enough or long enough to make the bones brittle.

I look at it this way, 5 minutes, maybe a gallon or two of hot water, and a strainer or small pot to rinse them off in for a little extra peace of mind.

[Silvester]

Hey draggar, hello ! - yeah, you are right also, of course you can clean the meat under hot water. This will not cause any difficulties and may be you have a better feeling by doing so.

But Vaiva indeed is right - it´s not needed for a healthy normal dog.

[yukidomari]

All the dogs are fed prey model raw here, which differs from BARF without the inclusion of vegetable matter.

Whole animals are common on the menu.. Found a lovely supplier locally and will soon be getting some whole goats.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by draggar

I look at it this way, 5 minutes, maybe a gallon or two of hot water, and a strainer or small pot to rinse them off in for a little extra peace of mind.

You are totally right, but I think it is much better for imune system to learn to deal with various bacterias - we all know, that a child, who grew up in sterile surroundings, will most probably be more sick and have more allergies, than the one, who was growing up "normally". Ofcourse, this is not a suggesion but children from associal familys are mostly much more resistant than the ones with crazy mothers, who bath them in Kalii permanganas.
I think for a dog it is healthy to roll sometimes in cows "pie", to eat raw meat, to play outdoors even if it is raining or snowing or have a drink from a spring But it is just my amateur possition.

[pixie]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

I just wonder who puts the chicken under hot water for wolves in a forest? When a dog eats raw meat and bones, his stomach "juice" become very acid - so acid, that no bacterias from chicken can harm one. This is the reason why dog should not be fed "mixed" food like kibble and meat at once, this may lead to gastritus.
Pixie, table scraps are for pigs, not for dogs. Could you also please use punctuation marks?.. It is so difficult to understand what you are writting and whome...

By table scraps i mean whatwe leave on our plates not peelings etc, sorry about the punctuation, will try harder.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by pixie

By table scraps i mean whatwe leave on our plates not peelings etc, sorry about the punctuation, will try harder.

Still it is not good for dogs. Unless you do not use any salt, sugar or spices, no E621 and similar stuff in food - then it is at least not harmull, but really not usefull...

[pixie]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Still it is not good for dogs. Unless you do not use any salt, sugar or spices, no E621 and similar stuff in food - then it is at least not harmull, but really not usefull...

Chocolate and beer is not useful but i enjoy them as treats, as do my dogs enjoy table scraps but the scraps from 4 plates is not much between 3 dogs so hardly worth all the worry

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by pixie

Chocolate and beer is not useful but i enjoy them as treats, as do my dogs enjoy table scraps but the scraps from 4 plates is not much between 3 dogs so hardly worth all the worry

Well, these are your dogs, not mine, but their liver are not ment to deal with spicies and similar. I use nuts (almond, hazel) when I want to do something for my dog to enjoy

[pixie]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, these are your dogs, not mine, but their liver are not ment to deal with spicies and similar. I use nuts (almond, hazel) when I want to do something for my dog to enjoy

just to put your mind at ease, we dont give them anything that is highly spiced like curry or chilli and also avoid giving them cakes,puddings etc its normally just a bit of left over meat and veg, I understand where you are coming from and agree you do have to be careful what you give them, so don't worry my dogs health is very important to me and my family. Thanks though for trying to be helpful and giving some good advice.