Puppy prices

Sherdor · 29-12-2010, 10:47

Hanka i have profesional breeder status (my wife) because we have choosen :
- to give our puppies owner some guaranty,
- to avoid people jalousy would have the idea to inform tax services if we have one litter,
- by that we are known by administrativ services and local town to be serious (we often receive lost dog from policemen or town employees to keep them a night until refugees open doors on the morning)

Unfortunally, we have profesional status but we breed a few puppies each year (even with our rottweiler)... 23 puppies in 3 year for CWs...

... that means much more charge than money earn ...

As i remember, first year... -7000 € (year for installing everything)....the second -3000 € ... This year.... due to our big charges in veterinarian.... hum that hurt my head (only a few puppies also)

.... if i want cash back our charge onto puppy price, i haven't evaluate it yet... but i imagine a BIG SELLING PRICE...

I made some evaluation to earn money with dog breeding...

To imagine an income enought and regular, it would be more than 150 of puppies each year based on a 30 females and of course some males....
(And the medium price is 500 € for each puppy, because in this way you have to take in mind that not only CWs but several breed...)

The cost structure would be huge (not under 50000 € if you made it by yourself), and authorization particular.

martiou07 · 29-12-2010, 12:50

hello,interesting, yes indeed, a professional breeding will have more load compared to the tax, nevertheless, I do not see which additional guarantee you can provide a small breeding family will not be able to provide.

I remain persuaded that all breeder worthy of this name will be in measurement; to bring the same thing exactly.

However, that comforts me, I have a small breeding family, the accounts are always in the red, but I simply live my passion without having to count what each one of my dogs report to me or not…

Sherdor · 29-12-2010, 13:35

... You are true for some point ....

But you can have a REGISTERED STATUS (i.e. PROFESIONAL BREEDER) and PROVIDE HIGH GUARANTEE according to the way of breeding, taking puppies inside house and every care about socializacion.

The MOST IMPORTANT is that in PROFESIONAL STATUS you engage YOUR RESPONSABILITY ACCORDING TO LAW much more than amator status... and also about puppies health.

In case of problem, the law is more strict with profesional...

Quote:

I remain persuaded that all breeder worthy of this name will be in measurement; to bring the same thing exactly.

The only difference is the COST OF BREEDING... only this point ... and what is your due to ADMINISTRATION... and that costs !

... and the subject is to try to explain SELLING PRICE DIFFERENCE ...

... not to compare what you are able to do or not... just to give elements for explaining the price.

The only "price" doesn't explain anything...

Vaiva · 29-12-2010, 13:38

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Originally Posted by Sherdor

The MOST IMPORTANT is that in PROFESIONAL STATUS you engage YOUR RESPONSABILITY ACCORDING TO LAW much more than amator status...

Even not being a "professional" breeder, you can (should) sign a contract, where both - breeder and new owner - have their responsibilities signed. And it works just the same.

Sherdor · 29-12-2010, 13:49

.... Yes Daiva, but in case of problem it is not the SAME COURT when you start a lawsuit ...

wolfin · 29-12-2010, 13:52

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Originally Posted by Sherdor

.... Yes Daiva, but in case of problem it is not the SAME COURT when you start a lawsuit ...

this are Vaiva, not Daiva ( me) I not dispute in this themat )

Sherdor · 29-12-2010, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfin

this are Vaiva, not Daiva ( me) I not dispute in this themat )

Sorry ... wrong letter... not more

Vaiva · 29-12-2010, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sherdor

.... Yes Daiva, but in case of problem it is not the SAME COURT when you start a lawsuit ...

The same. I am not sure about the laws in other countries, but in Lithuania signed agreement works.
My mother is a judge, my father is a lawyer, believe me, I consulted

And yes, I am Vaiva, not Daiva.

martiou07 · 29-12-2010, 14:24

but contract or not, professional or not, I filled perfectly my responsibilities with respect to my pups and those throughout their life.

I have not need to have a contract to respect my responsabilities.

Yes the subject is the price difference, only I reconsidered this point because it explain of anything the difference.

The only real difference is right the taxes relative to professional breeding...

Now why this price? because is the price that a pup CSW in France is sold, quite simply. Profitability when spoken a hobby I do not know, sorry…

29-12-2010, 10:47	#1
Sherdor Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,023	Hanka i have profesional breeder status (my wife) because we have choosen : - to give our puppies owner some guaranty, - to avoid people jalousy would have the idea to inform tax services if we have one litter, - by that we are known by administrativ services and local town to be serious (we often receive lost dog from policemen or town employees to keep them a night until refugees open doors on the morning) Unfortunally, we have profesional status but we breed a few puppies each year (even with our rottweiler)... 23 puppies in 3 year for CWs... ... that means much more charge than money earn ... As i remember, first year... -7000 € (year for installing everything)....the second -3000 € ... This year.... due to our big charges in veterinarian.... hum that hurt my head (only a few puppies also) .... if i want cash back our charge onto puppy price, i haven't evaluate it yet... but i imagine a BIG SELLING PRICE... I made some evaluation to earn money with dog breeding... To imagine an income enought and regular, it would be more than 150 of puppies each year based on a 30 females and of course some males.... (And the medium price is 500 € for each puppy, because in this way you have to take in mind that not only CWs but several breed...) The cost structure would be huge (not under 50000 € if you made it by yourself), and authorization particular. __________________ www.ochrana.fr Last edited by Sherdor; 29-12-2010 at 11:37.

29-12-2010, 12:50	#2
martiou07 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: France Posts: 1,986	hello,interesting, yes indeed, a professional breeding will have more load compared to the tax, nevertheless, I do not see which additional guarantee you can provide a small breeding family will not be able to provide. I remain persuaded that all breeder worthy of this name will be in measurement; to bring the same thing exactly. However, that comforts me, I have a small breeding family, the accounts are always in the red, but I simply live my passion without having to count what each one of my dogs report to me or not… __________________

29-12-2010, 13:49	#5
Sherdor Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,023	.... Yes Daiva, but in case of problem it is not the SAME COURT when you start a lawsuit ... __________________ www.ochrana.fr

29-12-2010, 14:24	#9
martiou07 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: France Posts: 1,986	but contract or not, professional or not, I filled perfectly my responsibilities with respect to my pups and those throughout their life. I have not need to have a contract to respect my responsabilities. Yes the subject is the price difference, only I reconsidered this point because it explain of anything the difference. The only real difference is right the taxes relative to professional breeding... Now why this price? because is the price that a pup CSW in France is sold, quite simply. Profitability when spoken a hobby I do not know, sorry… __________________

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