Puppy prices

[Morian]

vaiva, i think this calculation was made just to understand better why the price is 1000, but not much less or much more and as you can see it shows very clear that breeding of csv can't be commercial in cases of "family breeder", hobby etc.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Morian

vaiva, i think this calculation was made just to understand better why the price is 1000, but not much less or much more and as you can see it shows very clear that breeding of csv can't be commercial in cases of "family breeder", hobby etc.

But the calculation really does not show anything
Also doesn't explain the different prices.

[Morian]

then explain please why do you want 1000 eur for your pups?

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Morian

then explain please why do you want 1000 eur for your pups?

What makes you think I want 1000 euro per pup?
I do not count the food of my dog, or vaccination, or health tests - I would have these expenses without breeding too. I don't even count the traveling to male - I take it as a nice trip and much fun.

[Morian]

no-no, it was just an idea
but then you must give your pups for free, isn't it?

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Morian

no-no, it was just an idea
but then you must give your pups for free, isn't it?

No, but I do not tell stories that puppy costs this amount of money, because HD tests (that you make once in dog's life and it costs... 70 euro ) are expensive, or because I had to feed my female (30 more euros a month, and this is feeding Orijen - at the moment it is the best dry food I can find in LT), or similar. I would do the same things with my dog, no matter if it is a breeding dog, or a mix from a shelter.
Yes, let's be fair and say that a breeder also needs a little "payback" for his hard work, for all the letters he answered (explaining obvious things for people, who simply desided you have nothing else to do), for future consultations any time of the day or night, if a new puppy owner faces a problem (this is in all the agreements, isn't it?), also maybe breeder had to take some free days from work (and was not payed for this time) to take care of the puppies. Also if puppies do not live in a kennel, but at home, same room with the family, you may need some rapair works, don't you?
It is not a shame to say "yes, the puppy costs THIS amount of money, because I need a little payback for my hard work" It is a shame to lie that this is how much a puppy costs - then why do puppies without pedigrees cost much less? (I am speaking not about wolfdogs, but other breeds)

[Morian]

i undersand that we're starting another idle talk, but... i'm still curious, why do you ask for your

Originally Posted by Vaiva

hard work, for all the letters he answered <...>, for future consultations any time of the day or night <...> some rapair works

certain amount of money, not less and not more. why not 5000 for example?

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by Morian

then explain please why do you want 1000 eur for your pups?

Hello,

for my part, why 1000 euros, quite simply because, is the price that this sells in France, the market of the pedigree dog in France is raised, one cannot sell off our pups either, that will think people with large price differences between such or such breeding?

can be they would think qu' there is a latent defect ?

[Morian]

Originally Posted by martiou07

Hello,

for my part, why 1000 euros, quite simply because, is the price that this sells in France, the market of the pedigree dog in France is raised, one cannot sell off our pups either, that will think people with large price differences between such or such breeding?

can be they would think qu' there is a latent defect ?

i guess that it was the main question of this topic

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by martiou07

Hello,

for my part, why 1000 euros, quite simply because, is the price that this sells in France, the market of the pedigree dog in France is raised, one cannot sell off our pups either, that will think people with large price differences between such or such breeding?

can be they would think qu' there is a latent defect ?

Aaa, so you would gladly give puppies for free, but you are simply forced to take 1000 euro for a puppy just because in other case people would think your dogs are sick or smth? I promise, I will not think your dogs have letal defects. Will you give me a puppy? As a gift?

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Aaa, so you would gladly give puppies for free, but you are simply forced to take 1000 euro for a puppy just because in other case people would think your dogs are sick or smth? I promise, I will not think your dogs have letal defects. Will you give me a puppy? As a gift?

me I am always ready to discuss the price of my pups:

why?

For other country, I know well that the voyage represents a cost.

A family being able to bring a splendid life to my baby but not having the means, for me this is not a problem, I can to re-examine the price, because I think above all of the good future being of my pups...

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by martiou07

A family being able to bring a splendid life to my baby but not having the means, for me this is not a problem, I can to re-examine the price, because I think above all of the good future being of my pups...

Yes, this is a great attitude

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by martiou07

A family being able to bring a splendid life to my baby but not having the means, for me this is not a problem, I can to re-examine the price, because I think above all of the good future being of my pups...

We thought the same way some time ago but changed this attitude due to our experiences.

First, what will happen if something happens to the dog like for example a car accident, what about the health tests of the dog etc. These costs a pretty soon above the normal puppy-prices. If I get a non-purebred dog I save money I can spend on those occasions.

Second, if I can´t afford the puppyprice of a pure bred dog of a good breeder why does it have to be a pure bred dog? Of course we all have reasons why we choose a CSW but if we are honest it would be possible to find an adequate dog with the same character if we would try. It might not look the same though but for me the character is much more important. If for someone the wolfish look is that important he anyway is not the kind of owner we want for our dog or for this breed.

Third if I can´t afford something now I will save money to buy it later, looking for a dog I would take the meantime to get more informations about the breed and breeders.
I waited about 8 years till I bought my first dog, not only because of prices but mainly because then I had the possibility to give it a suitable surrounding.

We had one person who tried to discuss the price several times we didn´t give him a puppy though we first told him he could have one and refused it some time later after getting to know him better. Not because of the price-discussion but because of a bad feeling. We have been very right, he turned out to be an egoistic psychopath, unluckily he managed to get several dogs of other breeders, three he gave away till today and he will go on collecting...

We had another buyer who made an extremely good impression for us so we agreed to payment on rates, everything turned out well for the dog in the end but the police was involved in between and I will never agree on something like this again.

So our conclusion is: We will discuss maybe about the money for x-raying the dog that we pay back after doing the x-ray if we know the person and trust him. But if anybody can´t pay our price for the puppy we go on and find another good owner, we don´t mind to keep the pup much longer till we find somebody.
We undergo a lot of work and trouble and we invest a lot of time for our dogs and breeding. The price we ask is the value we give to our dogs and this work and we invest the money back into our dogs. If somebody doesn´t want to pay our price he doesn´t value our dogs and our work enough, he will not get a puppy.

As coming back to the different prices: If Slovakian people are asked to pay 400 Euros and I am asked to pay 1000 Euros this is due to the different income in different countries, the value of the dog stays the same in this case, I might even pay less than the Slovakian in relation.
If a western country asks 2500 this is not due to value of the dog but to the market price. I will not pay this price for a normal dog and we refused to pay this stud fee to a normal French or Italian stud without bonitation and without show results of a specialised judge in the past.

Ina

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Will you give me a puppy? As a gift?

a gift, not , I want nevertheless of course to refund my expenses

[martiou07]

to be honest with you (if other French reads that, they will not be happy… ) , on a range with 5 pups on average, any expenses included/understood (vaccines, electronic chip, pedigree, covered….), that returns to approximately 300-400 euros by pup