Puppy prices

[saschia]

Morian, nice math. I think it is a bit (not much) cheaper here (some thing are more expensive, some less), but you can see that the value of the pups (just what you need to invest) is more than 1000 eur that we (ok, I) ask from foreigners, and far more than we get from our neighbours. If I was a good businessman, I should ask at least 2000 e for a pup, to be on the plus side and cover some risks (you don't always get a good bitch).

[saschia]

yea, "interesting blood" and "working line" and "champion parents" are all a good jokes...

And then the real interesting blood and working and champion parents are lost in the ocean of litters that are just produced for money (or whatever other small reasons).

[Morian]

Originally Posted by saschia

yea, "interesting blood" and "working line" and "champion parents" are all a good jokes...

And then the real interesting blood and working and champion parents are lost in the ocean of litters that are just produced for money (or whatever other small reasons).

most of all i like ugly shy etc. dogs taken to breeding because they have these "interesting" bloods. no, no, not because their owners or breeders already paid for them and don't want to hear that their dogs are not super-hyper etc., but because they are "interesting"

[Rona]

Originally Posted by saschia

yea, "interesting blood" and "working line" and "champion parents" are all a good jokes...

Are you sure they are jokes? . Recent text from one of the private sites:

Pups of fantastic characters, suitable for defence and sweet teddies at home, eager to work, looking with devotion at their owners, if well brought up – great companions of the whole family, including kids. The dogs will be willing to work and will be successful at work competitions and at dog shows.

Most breeders are critical, because they are jelous of not being able to breed equally perfect and versatile pups!

[Morian]

oh, rona, surely you speak russian because i saw +/- the same at us

[Morian]

from the other point of view why should you sell pups for 500 eur to any person which tries to negiciate your price... sometimes ability to pay 1000 eur can be guarantee that the person have enough money to provide normal life for this pup because as i see csv is not so cheap breed (i don't mean puppie price)

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Morian

oh, rona, surely you speak russian because i saw +/- the same at us

Unfortunately my Russian is not good enough to read/talk about breeding . But this is sad news - there must be more "ambitious breeders"...

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Rona

Are you sure they are jokes? . Recent text from one of the private sites (my translation):
Most breeders are critical, because they are jelous of not being able to breed equally perfect and versatile pups!

Yes, I am jealous. Although I have great character and exterior bitch and great character and exterior mate, I am not able to guarantee this.

[Morian]

Originally Posted by saschia

Morian, nice math. I think it is a bit (not much) cheaper here (some thing are more expensive, some less), but you can see that the value of the pups (just what you need to invest) is more than 1000 eur that we (ok, I) ask from foreigners, and far more than we get from our neighbours. If I was a good businessman, I should ask at least 2000 e for a pup, to be on the plus side and cover some risks (you don't always get a good bitch).

not nice, it scared me because now i also own a bitch
cheaper or not, but we didn't count training, travels and many other things which we can not remember.
but when we speak about breeders which have many litters per year and surely every bitch has many litters diring its life... that's why i wonder seeing prices like 1200, 1500 etc at such breeders. i didn't mean "family breeders", breeders like you or some others which have 1-2 litters per year and their dogs are firstly their family members, but not a kind of material or financial basis of their existence.

[saschia]

Yes, but if you do the breeding for business, then you need to not only cover your expenses like these, you have to count everything as expense (as you'll pay the taxes, so you want to minimize that), you have to count on risks like yo'll get all the things done but the bitch will be not good enough for breeding (and you should not breed bad bitches), so that's just the money down the drain - and you can resell the bitch but you won't get the expenses and time back.

So all in all, I understand that the pro-breeders ask so much money, I just don't understand that people pay that kind of money, when there are cheaper litters from good quality parents available (even if you'd travel across Europe to get the pup yourself).

I mean, you expect to pay obscene prices for Prada shoes and i-dont-know-the-brands handbags and only small money for chinese look-alikes, but the pups are pups, the parents are comparable (often better as they are tested by experts), the result are often just luck, as you cannot predict much, so why?

[Morian]

i don't understand it too. if i want to buy a csv pup, i look for info about csv, i find dogs, i find owners etc, so finally i can imagine what is a quality pup, what its parents must have except show titles. i think that such people which buy nobody-knows-what-and-who-knows-doesn't-wanna-name-it don't look for info = have no interest = they want just to buy right now and they even don't interest what do they buy = thanks god that they buy pups from other breeders, not from you
and also i don't understand why do some breeders have the same quality, tests etc, and even better sometimes, but don't want 1000 eur and more for their pups

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Morian

and also i don't understand why do some breeders have the same quality, tests etc, and even better sometimes, but don't want 1000 eur and more for their pups

Because small breeders cannot afford to keep the pups if not sold - so they sell cheaper rather than not at all. Some people say I should even plan the litter if I don't have buyers up front, but that wouldn't work for me - I want to know at least if and when exactly we are expecting before I promise anything...

[saschia]

Daiva - because the value is 1000 euro, but Slovak buyers won't buy for that money. You can say that the expenses for my two litters were around 10 000 Euro, but I only got 1000 Euro for the whole previous litter (3 pups, domestic buyers). I don;t ask foreigners to pay 1000 automatically - I try to adjust the prices to the normal prices in that country, and am always open to the discussion with prospective buyers, but don't ask me to charge only 500 euro from people who will later sell their pups for 3500 each... I have very similar expenses but much smaller incomes.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

Daiva - because the value is 1000 euro, but Slovak buyers won't buy for that money. You can say that the expenses for my two litters were around 10 000 Euro, but I only got 1000 Euro for the whole previous litter (3 pups, domestic buyers). I don;t ask foreigners to pay 1000 automatically - I try to adjust the prices to the normal prices in that country, and am always open to the discussion with prospective buyers, but don't ask me to charge only 500 euro from people who will later sell their pups for 3500 each... I have very similar expenses but much smaller incomes.

but I quest- WHY one price are in SK and others to people from others country? Ok we too not are rich country but mas pay this same 1000 euro if want to bring good male or female from SK ( or hi hi hi like say one breeder ( who have reklama in this sk. web site too) - "You buy not a dog, you buy SLOVAK paper pedigree and for this mas pay")

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

So all in all, I understand that the pro-breeders ask so much money, I just don't understand that people pay that kind of money, when there are cheaper litters from good quality parents available (even if you'd travel across Europe to get the pup yourself).

http://zvierata.bazos.sk/?hledat=Ces...alita=&iddel=1

why if for this puppy quest people from others country ( not from SK or CZ) automaticly price be 1000 euro? not why this same ( yes yes export pedigree pet pasport and chip we can pay too)


p.s. for this later are cheaper buyt others puppy from this super ch when people have this dogs in theys countrys or near home

[Morian]

wolfin, how much does export pedigree cost in europe?

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Morian

wolfin, how much does export pedigree cost in europe?

hmm I can say LT price- about 50 euro. pet pasport and chip in LT -30 euro.

[Morian]

o! chip is even cheaper than at us...
by the way, strange logic - people which can come and buy pup from any neighbour town pay 400 and people which have to go very far, make visas etc pay 1000 but ok, i have nothing againist 1000 eur, only if i'm sure in the litter's quality