DM test results and breeders

[Rona]

Originally Posted by mijke

Reading other topics about DM on wolfdog, I did see a lot of blaming of breeders in relation of DM test results...

Blaming openly, or just indicating things betwen the lines.... This was exactly my concern when I read this post:

Originally Posted by CDaniela

Nebulosa
I recommend to make the DM test for Iran.

Daniela, what did you want to suggest when you made this 'recommendation'? There are hundreds of DM untested reps around including the rep you used, if I understood correctly? Paula herself has a few breeding dogs now, so why did you mention Iran? Do you happen to know something you think you should share? In that case wouldn't it been fairer either to discuss it in public or pass this info directly to Paula?

It's not personal, I'm not particularly interested in Iran or Nebulosa's kennel or breeding policy, but I just like to understand the reason and deeper meaning of what people intend to communicate.

[Hanka]

Mijke, I think only stupid persons can blame some breeders about these illneses in breeding.

[loco]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Mijke, I think only stupid persons can blame some breeders about these illneses in breeding.

So you can call me a half stupid person !!!
Because I don´t blame breeders for a sick dog who was breed before the test DM/dwarfism was validated.
But every affected dog who was/is breed after the test DM/Dwarfism was validated, those breeders I do blame for breeding a sick dog !!!

Groette Martine.

[Hanka]

hello Martine, no problem, but read Mijke´s thread once again. I react to her text.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by loco

So you can call me a half stupid person !!!
Because I don´t blame breeders for a sick dog who was breed before the test DM/dwarfism was validated.
But every affected dog who was/is breed after the test DM/Dwarfism was validated, those breeders I do blame for breeding a sick dog !!!

Groette Martine.

But when you buy a wolfdog, parents too not have DM or dwarf test, but you buy this dog this same make and I and others breeders. I think later moore breeders make this test, but not want this in this moment. When breed without HD and ED test, who is important and this can make all breeder minimum 15 years, not believe in this DM and dwarf test that it will start to do all the breeders here and now. step by step. moore patience
I agree with Mijke this not are "world end" in breed, only moore test to breeds healty.

[loco]

Originally Posted by wolfin

But when you buy a wolfdog, parents too not have DM or dwarf test, but you buy this dog
I agree with Mijke this not are "world end" in breed, only moore test to breeds healty.

Nomad is from 10-12-2006 so that is before the test dwarfism and DM exist .
And I also agree with Mijke .
Because thanks to the test you have the choice of breeding dogs who are not affected by DM or Dwarfism .
And that is why I wil blame breeders who breed after 2010 a CSW affected by dwarfism or DM.

Groette Martine.

[loco]

Originally Posted by wolfin

, only moore test to breeds healty.

I totally agree with you on this .

[CDaniela]

Originally Posted by Rona

Daniela, what did you want to suggest when you made this 'recommendation'?

Because I think (I hope), that in future will be result DM test for all breeding dogs.
Breeder plans to freeze his sperm ... for the future.

[elf]

Mijke, any updates on new researches from Berne University and Dusseldorf institut ?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I will answer as I am into it. No and I haven´t expect any because this will take years. We are still at the point to collect samples as we need at least 50 ill dogs (with clinical symptoms) and at least (better more) healthy ones.
As far as I am informed can the test in Düsseldorf be already used to diagnose DM directly on an ill dog what is a big improvement in diagnosis.
We are close to 50 healthy ones and have a few ill ones. As we are still awaiting the Slovakian translation of the text that you already know it is still not published.

Ina

[loco]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I will answer as I am into it. No and I haven´t expect any because this will take years.

What are they going to research ???

Groette Martine.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

DM cannot be caused only by those genes as there seem to be homocygotic carriers that never get ill. Also in humans there are different kinds of this disease with different ways of heritage but all causing the same symptoms.

The actual test shows the mutated gene allright but was not varified on enough ill dogs so several questions stay unanswered.
We talked Bern to do a research project on our breed and to keep an DNA-databank both for free.
Sonja Bognarova will publish the informations as soon as she recieves the Slovakian translation (!!) in most languages here on wolfdog.org. As always everything took more time as planned.

Ina

[elf]

Well, I think it's not needed to have every languages already translated to publish this, if I understood well only one language is missing, it can easily be added afterwards, each months gained is good, especially when you know that researches programs can come and go quick as cash flow is never enough in research area (at least in my country and that's a pity).