Tamaskan Dogs..

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Joswolf

.... explain why i believe a CWD is more agressive then a Saarloos.

Explain what you understand by "CWD are bred for using agression".
CSVs aren't lambs, but the word "agression" has lots of meanings. I was just wondering what you had in mind. I know breeds far more agressive than CSVs

[Joswolf]

That's the problem with the word "agression". I did'nt mean agressive dog couse almost all dogs are bred for using agression, defence and quarding. All terriers are bred for using agression. CWD was bred for bording defence and had to be willing to attack. Thouh that may sound bad it is what it is.
A wolf or mix would therefor go back. A CWD compared to a Saarloos is also a differnce. A CWD would faster attack then a Saarloos. I did not use the word dangerous couse a Jack Russel is more agressive but easyer to shake of when hanging in your leg. I do not want to use the word dangerous couse evey horse can hurt you as well.
I must say i love dogs and dogs love us aswell. So i don't want to give dogs a bad name couse they are men's best friends. Mostly they are our help and companions. So don't get me wrong.
Jos

[Gypsy Wolf]

Aggression is not a bad thing. It is the willingness to use force for defense. Our vlcaks must have that in their make-up as that was the whole purpose - to develop a dog that would defend the Border, aggressively if NEEDED. INAPPROPRIATE or uncontrolled aggression is a bad thing - and this can happen with poor character in just about any breed.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

Aggression is not a bad thing. .

I didn't say it was, but for me

breeding (dogs) for using agression

is bad. People who train dogs for dog fighting breed those dogs for "using agression".

Most honest CSV breeders attempt to breed dogs which would have trainable characters, i.e. their natural aggression would be under control and used for rational purposes only. Remember that the standard says that CSV should be "versatile in his uses" (sic!) as well as "lively, active, tough, obedient with quick reactions, fearless and courageous.". Nothing about agression as such, though definietely a shy dog will not be able to meet the standard requirement. I.e. if shyness is to be considered the opposite of agression, which for me makes no sense anyway* .

That's why I asked what Jos meant and I think he meant the requirements of the standard, only used ambiguous wording.

* Shyness & agression come from the same source: insecurity. A dog that has good character after his parents, is well trained and self-confident is neither shy, nor agressive

[Joswolf]

I didn't mean now it is selective breeding for be able to use force or agression. But i read about the CWD,-
qualities make the Wolfdog perfect for rescue missions and ever since the beginning of its existence it has been used by the border guard, military, police
Temperament,Fearless and courageous.
Shopuld de dog go licking the one to death or attack and bite? What else can you use a dog for at police or millitary.
A Saarloos is more the shy type, and therefor not self-confident but that is a wolf aswell. You can try show pics of friendly rabbit loving dogs but i now other CWD and can show you other pics of a more often showen behavour. I find it more showing less intellegents when you do not now what to do with food.
Jos

[Silvester]

Originally posted by Joswolf:

"You can try show pics of friendly rabbit loving dogs but i now other CWD and can show you other pics of a more often showen behavour. I find it more showing less intellegents when you do not now what to do with food."

Yes, i think Jos is right here ! For my experience, most CWD will show the natural behaviour when meeting a rabbit at close distance....

In this way , my old CWD was a very typical " rabbit- lover", and my new one - who just has become nine months old - has already the same intentions.

Of course, if you let raise up a CWD together with rabbits ( or with cats or other animals) he will get used to these animals and not hunt or kill them when adult.

But this is not the normal behaviour.

And at last : hunting and agression is of course NOT the same.

[hanninadina]

From my point of view Jos is right. In comparison to the other two wolfdog breeds, csw are the one who show if it comes to the point aggression. Saarloos and american wolfdogs go back and would not attack. And of course it is standard that a csw should attack, ok when needed.

It is now a days much better, but we had only 5-7 years ago lots of shy but aggressive csw as well. And please people it takes you to nothing to show fotos from dogs who are raised up with their own famly pets as Sylvester already quotes. And it means nothing if you live alone with your csw and do not go in between other dogs and people. The comparison can be make if you see a csw acting in between other dogs. And sorry to say, you can let Saarloos - adult animals I mean - run around without leash, the same with american wolfdogs, but you never would be able to let csw run around free. We did often the comparison.

And now please do not come with your examples of places like Margo in Hokys memorial, there are runing around mostly only family memebers (dogs) who know each other very well.

I mean if a csw comes to a meeting where he does not know other dogs.

Sure you will find it in other breeds to, but that is not the point. We are only talking about the 3 wolfdog breeds and Tamaskan.

Christian