Tamaskan Dogs..

Joswolf · 13-07-2010, 18:48

I believe no wolfdogs were used in the creation of the original tamaskan but lateron couse of health and inbreeding risk looked for new blood. I also believe now they wouldn't want an CWD any more couse they are bred for using agression. They could be interested in Saarloos. But i listened to breeder who likes sleddogs and others who want an pet or family-dog. But they need to look like wolf. Funny is the wolf look alike claims now wolf and roomers say its part wolf and AWD claim 70-98% are mostly not really like a wolf but behave much like a dog. You just can't do it wright.
Jos

Rona · 13-07-2010, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Joswolf

I also believe now they wouldn't want an CWD any more couse they are bred for using agression.
Jos

Could you explain, please?

Joswolf · 13-07-2010, 20:34

Explain what? Why i believe this. Thats what i heard from several Tamaskan owners. Or do you mean explain why i believe a CWD is more agressive then a Saarloos.
Jos

Rona · 13-07-2010, 22:22

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Originally Posted by Joswolf

.... explain why i believe a CWD is more agressive then a Saarloos.

Explain what you understand by "CWD are bred for using agression".
CSVs aren't lambs, but the word "agression" has lots of meanings. I was just wondering what you had in mind. I know breeds far more agressive than CSVs

Joswolf · 13-07-2010, 23:22

That's the problem with the word "agression". I did'nt mean agressive dog couse almost all dogs are bred for using agression, defence and quarding. All terriers are bred for using agression. CWD was bred for bording defence and had to be willing to attack. Thouh that may sound bad it is what it is.
A wolf or mix would therefor go back. A CWD compared to a Saarloos is also a differnce. A CWD would faster attack then a Saarloos. I did not use the word dangerous couse a Jack Russel is more agressive but easyer to shake of when hanging in your leg. I do not want to use the word dangerous couse evey horse can hurt you as well.
I must say i love dogs and dogs love us aswell. So i don't want to give dogs a bad name couse they are men's best friends. Mostly they are our help and companions. So don't get me wrong.
Jos

Gypsy Wolf · 14-07-2010, 05:07

Aggression is not a bad thing. It is the willingness to use force for defense. Our vlcaks must have that in their make-up as that was the whole purpose - to develop a dog that would defend the Border, aggressively if NEEDED. INAPPROPRIATE or uncontrolled aggression is a bad thing - and this can happen with poor character in just about any breed.

Rona · 14-07-2010, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

Aggression is not a bad thing. .

I didn't say it was, but for me

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breeding (dogs) for using agression

is bad. People who train dogs for dog fighting breed those dogs for "using agression".

Most honest CSV breeders attempt to breed dogs which would have trainable characters, i.e. their natural aggression would be under control and used for rational purposes only. Remember that the standard says that CSV should be "versatile in his uses" (sic!) as well as "lively, active, tough, obedient with quick reactions, fearless and courageous.". Nothing about agression as such, though definietely a shy dog will not be able to meet the standard requirement. I.e. if shyness is to be considered the opposite of agression, which for me makes no sense anyway*

.

That's why I asked what Jos meant and I think he meant the requirements of the standard, only used ambiguous wording.

* Shyness & agression come from the same source: insecurity. A dog that has good character after his parents, is well trained and self-confident is neither shy, nor agressive

Mikael · 14-07-2010, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Joswolf

I believe no wolfdogs were used in the creation of the original tamaskan but later on couse of health and inbreeding risk looked for new blood. I also believe now they wouldn't want an CWD any more couse they are bred for using agression.

Agression

Lollllllll

Quote from CsV FCI Standard

Quote:

ELIMINATING FAULTS: No 1, Aggresive or overly shy.

Best regards / Mikael

GalomyOak · 14-07-2010, 00:17

Italian bred CSVs...the most aggressive of all!

http://picasaweb.google.com/galomyoa...08582197030818
http://picasaweb.google.com/galomyoa...08667466575714

Mikael · 14-07-2010, 07:11

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Originally Posted by GalomyOak

Italian bred CSVs...the most aggressive of all!

http://picasaweb.google.com/galomyoa...08582197030818
http://picasaweb.google.com/galomyoa...08667466575714

Oooooooo, so so cute

... But where is the mother

???

PS, Yes Bongo is very good example of agressive CsV

DS.

Best regards / Mikael

13-07-2010, 18:48	#1
Joswolf Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 757	I believe no wolfdogs were used in the creation of the original tamaskan but lateron couse of health and inbreeding risk looked for new blood. I also believe now they wouldn't want an CWD any more couse they are bred for using agression. They could be interested in Saarloos. But i listened to breeder who likes sleddogs and others who want an pet or family-dog. But they need to look like wolf. Funny is the wolf look alike claims now wolf and roomers say its part wolf and AWD claim 70-98% are mostly not really like a wolf but behave much like a dog. You just can't do it wright. Jos Last edited by Joswolf; 13-07-2010 at 18:49. Reason: forotten w

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13-07-2010, 20:34	#3
Joswolf Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 757	Explain what? Why i believe this. Thats what i heard from several Tamaskan owners. Or do you mean explain why i believe a CWD is more agressive then a Saarloos. Jos

13-07-2010, 23:22	#5
Joswolf Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 757	That's the problem with the word "agression". I did'nt mean agressive dog couse almost all dogs are bred for using agression, defence and quarding. All terriers are bred for using agression. CWD was bred for bording defence and had to be willing to attack. Thouh that may sound bad it is what it is. A wolf or mix would therefor go back. A CWD compared to a Saarloos is also a differnce. A CWD would faster attack then a Saarloos. I did not use the word dangerous couse a Jack Russel is more agressive but easyer to shake of when hanging in your leg. I do not want to use the word dangerous couse evey horse can hurt you as well. I must say i love dogs and dogs love us aswell. So i don't want to give dogs a bad name couse they are men's best friends. Mostly they are our help and companions. So don't get me wrong. Jos

14-07-2010, 05:07	#6
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Aggression is not a bad thing. It is the willingness to use force for defense. Our vlcaks must have that in their make-up as that was the whole purpose - to develop a dog that would defend the Border, aggressively if NEEDED. INAPPROPRIATE or uncontrolled aggression is a bad thing - and this can happen with poor character in just about any breed.