Working Kennels

[Gypsy Wolf]

Hanka, if I can find a place to stay as a guest, I am sure I can find the money for a plane ticket - I would LOVE to watch the flashy, sharp vlcaks doing incredible sportwork and learn more about the breed and teaching them (note that I said "teaching" rather than "training")...
Rona, to me "work" can mean both "sport" or "real-life" - "work" to me, means any venue in which a vlcak needs to use it's skills, talent and training. So "work" can mean Schutzhund sport, man-trailing, water rescue, agility... all of those are "jobs" for the vlcak and handler, so it is "work."
I am sure that every vlcak has it's own preferences.
My own dogs have shown me that - my GSD and my Malinois are not particularly interested in playing the "game" of Schutzhund, though both have proven they are excellent in real-life protection situations as well as trailing (without having trained for that!).
So if my Luna doesn't find Schutzhund to her liking as she matures, I will find the venue she prefers and work in that. Schutzhund is a fun sport but it isn't the ultimate breed-worthiness tool in my opinion.
As an aside, one of the GSD puppies I produced in my first (and only, so far) litter, CHOSE the sport of Schutzhund as her preferred interest, and her handlers got so into the sport they have now added a Malinois to their home and are training to be serious competitors on a National (and perhaps World) level with them. Prior to getting the puppy, they didn't even know what Schutzhund was!

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

Rona, to me "work" can mean both "sport" or "real-life" - "work" to me, means any venue in which a vlcak needs to use it's skills, talent and training. So "work" can mean Schutzhund sport, man-trailing, water rescue, agility... all of those are "jobs" for the vlcak and handler, so it is "work."
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Let me expain the difference, as I see it, on a funny but real-life example:
1. you take your dog to a dog school to teach her recall - all GSDs repeat the command as many times as the owner wishes. Vlcak comes nicely a few times (rewarded!) but sooner or later gets bored, slows down, starts watching other dogs and people, etc. - this is training

2. you take your dog out to a park to socialize with other dogs. When called, other dogs come to their owners more or less at once; a vlcak comes OK (rewarded!), but it will take her a minute to finish her own businesses first, e.g. to say goodbye to her dog friends - this is sport

3. the same situation in the park, but somebody notices city guards' are parking the van. All the owners call their dogs to put muzzles on to avoid being fined. Vlcak comes first, runs like a lightning and sits in front of the owner - this is work.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Rona

1. you take your dog to a dog school to teach her recall - all GSDs repeat the command as many times as the owner wishes. Vlcak comes nicely a few times (rewarded!) but sooner or later gets bored, slows down, starts watching other dogs and people, etc.

2. you take your dog out to a park to socialize with other dogs. When called, other dogs come to their owners more or less at once; a vlcak comes OK (rewarded!), but it will take her a minute to finish her own businesses first, e.g. to say goodbye to her dog friends

This is exactly how my dog is, when I train at the dog club this is what I tell the instructors, but they look at me like I’m just trying to give them excuses

Hronec will go fetch maximum 4 times whit or whitout reward
After that he will go somewhere els to play

Regards / Mikael

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Mikael

This is exactly how my dog is, when I train at the dog club this is what I tell the instructors, but they look at me like I’m just trying to give them excuses

I know the pain, Mikael!The instructor in our puppy club thought I was using the dog to excuse my own laziness

But now we have a six vlckas' group and our instructor is managing them pretty well
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She is an owner and breeder of fila brasileiro, a completely different breed but equally 'ambitious' as CSV. That's why she's flexible, so our CSVs like her a lot.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Rona

Let me expain the difference, as I see it, on a funny but real-life example:

Thanks dear, now I know I have an ideal working dog for protection of the owner

[Angelika]

Another example:

When I say: "Fajdal, would you please show our friend how you jump on the garden-desk?" Fajdal does - answering: "I had no choice because you said please."

Two-way education ...

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Angelika

Another example:

When I say: "Fajdal, would you please show our friend how you jump on the garden-desk?" Fajdal does - answering: "I had no choice because you said please."

Two-way education ...

Exactly! I keep wondering who's learning more...

[Grin]

As for my Łowca; some time ago, our trainer has said; "he is doing everything perfectly well... if he knows, that he hasn't got any other choice".
Sometimes I really laugh at him, becuase it' s so obvious when he is doing something because he wants to, for expample when he isn't bored yet. When he is bored, or simply would like to do something else, he does what he is asked, but shows us PERFECTLY, what he thinks about it. Nobody has any doubts.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Grin

. When he is bored, or simply would like to do something else, he does what he is asked, but shows us PERFECTLY, what he thinks about it. Nobody has any doubts.

For the mantrail-exam in Swizerland we had to do an obidience test. Everybody knowing Gerda z Rofa and me very well was like that and making videos and photos because, according to them, Gerda and me where showing exactly the same expression , both of us really "love" obedience...

Ina

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by Rona

Let me expain the difference, as I see it, on a funny but real-life example:
1. you take your dog to a dog school to teach her recall - all GSDs repeat the command as many times as the owner wishes. Vlcak comes nicely a few times (rewarded!) but sooner or later gets bored, slows down, starts watching other dogs and people, etc. - this is training

2. you take your dog out to a park to socialize with other dogs. When called, other dogs come to their owners more or less at once; a vlcak comes OK (rewarded!), but it will take her a minute to finish her own businesses first, e.g. to say goodbye to her dog friends - this is sport

3. the same situation in the park, but somebody notices city guards' are parking the van. All the owners call their dogs to put muzzles on to avoid being fined. Vlcak comes first, runs like a lightning and sits in front of the owner - this is work.

soo funny,but true!!.

layla