Crying Wolf - kennel

[yukidomari]

Jenny -

While I do agree with you some points, I do think that a well founded statement on the direction of a kennel is not "talking shit" all the time.

It has been pointed out that Crying Wolf dogs are not known to have titled much and Luna's Mom's friend has apparently expressed interest in a dog that is of breeding quality, good for conformation shows, and good for SchH sport.

I do not know how much we can depend on a puppy to fulfill these points out of a kennel not known for it. It is not dependant upon meeting the dogs or breeders.. which, may I add, the buyer herself did not meet the parents or dogs or breeder, either.

The puppy is out of a dam with a bonitation code that denotes shyness. In my opinion, and it does not have be one well versed in CSVs, perhaps that the breeder did not make a good recommendation of a puppy.

Perhaps the puppy WILL be a good fit. And, live up to all the expectations. But a breeder is supposed to provide the BEST possible fit. If Edit's kennel breeds for show dogs (no criticism from me for that), maybe she had better to recommend a working kennel for a person interested in work in order to better guarantee the person will get what they want. A kennel with a proven record of having dogs with qualities that fulfill the requirements of the buyer.

What good breeder wants to take a gamble with a puppy, that it will not live up to reasonable expectations?

[Mikael]

Hello Jenny

I do not talk shit, I only say that Crying Wolf is not famous for working dogs but for wolfish looking dogs, if you think that is talking shit ? Ask Edit I do not think she will say she breeds working CsV´s

Best regards / Mikael

[Backman]

Dear Jing,

I am no expert, I have only lived with CzW since february 2007. But my opinion is that, if someone want working dog, buy a german shepherd or other breed that for sure will do what work you want.

But you are right with that, there are kennels that do work with their Czw and compete too I suppose. But behind every CzW there is wolf, and even if you would buy a puppy from one working kennel, you still have a little bit of wild wolf in your leash. There is no quarantee of what you get, It is up to owner, if they understand their dog, understand how to train, what just "this unique wolfdog" needs. There is no way you can make a wolfdog to working dog with exams as "easily" as a GSD or Maliois.
I have much to learn, and I admire people who are good at training their dogs!
But this is my opinion. I have only trained obedience with my female Blazy for 3 years, not for exams, only because I enjoy it and I think dogs needs to do something with their head too, not just run and eat all the time
But Blazy is no working dog in my eyes, she is my sofa wolf...

Best regards
Jenny

[Nebulosa]

Moved for this topic

quoting what Elf said long time ago

Originally Posted by Elf

Very funny Frank it's exactly what Edit said to Margo in this thread: jealousy: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...?t=9341&page=4

It's the only answer people can find when they have not the ability to answer breeding scheme questions (consanguinity, HD ...).

[lupis]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

If Edit's kennel breeds for show dogs (no criticism from me for that), maybe she had better to recommend a working kennel for a person interested

Show dog i like sport dog and it mus be good character not shy. Ask why some breeder use drugs to be able to show dogs. befcause of very much bad character.
Same is body. dog with dysplasia in hips can not run good. it is also not "show line".
Sami with legs - in bad position the dog move ugly and can win only if judge is lame.

for me most important is character, but i wolf fan too. but on my list with 10 best wolfdogs is no crying wolf. I love galiba but i saw him and is nothing compared with photos. small, very much shy and thin bone. and very much not typical walk and run with problem in legs.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by lupis

Show dog i like sport dog and it mus be good character not shy. Ask why some breeder use drugs to be able to show dogs. befcause of very much bad character.
Same is body. dog with dysplasia in hips can not run good. it is also not "show line".
Sami with legs - in bad position the dog move ugly and can win only if judge is lame.

Good conformation itself is not a sign of a healthy dog, nor of good character. You're right. Although, a dog can have poor hips but be young enough that it doesn't show yet during gaiting.

I wasn't making a quality call on Crying Wolf's kennel - I don't know her kennel well enough and haven't done enough research to say anything regarding the quality of her dogs for show.

[Angelika]

Maybe we should calm down a bit?

We all know Sara´s thread:

Looking for a nice male CsW pup to import

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14024

Siobhan made the decision herself - without asking anybody. So now it´s her problem

[massimo]

the circle goes round and round and it's time again to speak bad about cryinw wolf kennel.
funny that arguments are always the same (shy dogs bla bla) but people are not careful about what they say, they speak just to give air to the wind.

Question: does CW kennel breed WORKING CSWs?
Repy: does ANY BREEDER breed working CSW...please, avoid replying otherwise I will start laughing and never stop.

Question: have the characters of CW dogs improved during these years?
Repy: just look at the males Edit has been using recently...all strong charactered dogs, with good bloodlines.

You want to know a dog from CW who could be good for working? many...
problem is OWNER, not only dog!!

Echo Crying Wolf has got CAL2, examination for balanced dog (socialization with people, gunshot) and biting sleeve without leash.
He is now training for Ipo (hopefully!) while bla bla speaks on wolfdog forum.

Not only Crying Wolf has shy and bad dogs...but also all breeders who use their males are stupid and understand nothing...
Ariminnum, Zlata Palz, Sdrcervac to make a few names.

when will you guys stop speaking about virtuality and start speaking about facts??

[massimo]

oh...i forgot to say...
Myla crying wolf is one of my favourite dogs ON EARTH.
Why? give her the right handler (sorry christian) and she could make miracles.

[yukidomari]

I won't speak about other kennels to compare CW to, because frankly I don't know enough kennels.. I am learning too.

But to address this point:

Originally Posted by massimo

You want to know a dog from CW who could be good for working? many...
problem is OWNER, not only dog!!

That's absolutely true - and a good breeder wouldn't place a dog with a working character in a home where people don't want to do work with it. That's just asking for trouble. Are you saying that CW has placed a lot of working dogs in homes where people don't care to manage that?

[massimo]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Are you saying that CW has placed a lot of working dogs in homes where people don't care to manage that?

I'm just saying that if a dog with good attitude to work meets an owner who wants to work...then you have a working dog!!
If an owner wants a "wolf looking dog" as 80% of owners...you get a "wolf behaving dog" too!!
Selection of OWNERS is as important as selection of dogs.
If you make many dogs, selecting owners becomes difficult...

Massimo

[lupis]

Originally Posted by massimo

Question: does CW kennel breed WORKING CSWs?
Repy: does ANY BREEDER breed working CSW...please, avoid replying otherwise I will start laughing and never stop.

I not say about kennel with working dogs because all breed must be working. but here Crying wolf is with untypical charater of dpogs because has not working dogs in working breed.

Originally Posted by massimo

You want to know a dog from CW who could be good for working? many...
problem is OWNER, not only dog!!

If breeder sell dog for all people which pay that is prbolems with onwners. but is show that crying wolf is not responsible breeder if sell dog only to worst owners.

Originally Posted by massimo

Echo Crying Wolf has got CAL2, examination for balanced dog (socialization with people, gunshot) and biting sleeve without leash.
He is now training for Ipo (hopefully!) while bla bla speaks on wolfdog forum.

is for me bad example because is only name of litter because both dogs are of breeder spod Ïumbiera from slovakia. Crying wolkf give only name for kennel but is slovak litter with slovak character. not damaged by crying wolf.

Originally Posted by massimo

Not only Crying Wolf has shy and bad dogs...but also all breeders who use their males are stupid and understand nothing...
Ariminnum, Zlata Palz, Sdrcervac to make a few names.

not good examples because breeder you list are not know for good character. and look for titles not for real good dogs. Sdrcervac has shy dogs too i hear.and zlata palz make bussiness with crying wolf.and sarka not use Crying wolf.

[massimo]

Lupis...you really make me sick!!

Originally Posted by lupis

is for me bad example because is only name of litter because both dogs are of breeder spod Ïumbiera from slovakia. Crying wolkf give only name for kennel but is slovak litter with slovak character. not damaged by crying wolf.

So...if a dog has female from another breeder and male from another breeder it cannot be his own work??
Like 90% of good breeders right? Z molu es (upstream ariminnum is NOT Z molu es) Peronowki (jolly z molu es is NOT Peronowki), Zlata Palz (z rofa is NOT Zlata Palz) Ariminnum (Vlci nadije is NOT Ariminnum)
You should check what you say before writing it... you become more and more ridiculous!

Originally Posted by lupis

not good examples because breeder you list are not know for good character. and look for titles not for real good dogs. Sdrcervac has shy dogs too i hear.and zlata palz make bussiness with crying wolf.and sarka not use Crying wolf.

more and more stupidity... (ok Paula...ban me but he/she/it deserves it!!)
Have you ever met Sdrcervac dogs?? You hear so much crap it should brake you ears!!
Amore Mio has a wonderful character as most of his sisters i've seen...not to mention the other litters!
Zlata Palz... ...
And...Voilà...
http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/d11153.html
totally Crying wolf male.
You still continue writing on this forum??
You should be so ashamed that the keyboard should refuse to let you write!!

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by lupis

but on my list with 10 best wolfdogs

Just curiuos. Could you show your list? It would be interesting to see, maybe to discuss. Are there only wolfdogs alive now, or you picked from all the breed;s history?

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Just curiuos. Could you show your list? It would be interesting to see, maybe to discuss. Are there only wolfdogs alive now, or you picked from all the breed;s history?

This sounds like it should be its own thread, I'd love to see what dogs other people pick, as well! It's hard getting info on dogs like that when you're stuck in the US.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Vicky

This sounds like it should be its own thread, I'd love to see what dogs other people pick, as well! It's hard getting info on dogs like that when you're stuck in the US.

Really, somebody should open a thread like this - this could be a nice possibility to discuss upon various dogs. I can't start this kind of topic - don't have The List yet

[elf]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Really, somebody should open a thread like this - this could be a nice possibility to discuss upon various dogs. I can't start this kind of topic - don't have The List yet

One can play with the Stat tool to find training achived by dogs, just enter in "Enter expression to find in training:" what you search (you can use "and" and "or" keyword to refine search), for exemple:

sch or cal

ipo

zvv

zvv and ipo

zvv and ipo and zop

Have fun !

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Really, somebody should open a thread like this - this could be a nice possibility to discuss upon various dogs. I can't start this kind of topic - don't have The List yet

if you go on forum and search "my favourite csw"...
guess what comes out?
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...ight=favourite

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by massimo

if you go on forum and search "my favourite csw"...
guess what comes out?
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...ight=favourite

Yes, I remember the topic, but it is different when you have to "fill in" the nominations

Lupis seems so be gone