Welcoming a new Vlcak into the United States!

lupis · 08-05-2010, 14:01

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

Very nice to people.But she was a real working dog. IPO I, 100 km, foto shooting for marketing, hyperactiv and a happy one.

Stop this nonsense! All wolfdog has at minimum one working dog in pedigree. One dog in very old generation not make wolfdog to call WORKING LINE.

hanninadina · 08-05-2010, 14:21

Lupis, I remember you are the one making trouble here. I do not know if you have a csw? Did you know Mona? I do not think so, I remember you are one of these person who are talking "clever" because they did hear something from other people who know nothing, it is called "gossip" what you(!) are talking about.

And I did not write anything about working line but I wrote that Mona did IPO I and so on. And I know that my Myla could easyly do IPO but I am personally not a friend of this.

Shy dogs? Of course not in this line. Intelligent dogs, more than ohter csw? Yes of course!

And Grandma from fahters side - Falin - is one of the best mantrailer in germany. She was in tv with fascinating work!

Izzy, father of Yolka, is a strong character too. He is not a bone shy! Did you know him? I think no. I know him and his owner Sonja, the best speciality jduge of the breed personally. He is so strong in character that even Sonja needed some time to get him in good control. Nothing about shy genes!

And Carr Maly Bysterec is one of these nice csw too, even not a shy bone.

So please stop talking bullshit!

Christian

lupis · 08-05-2010, 14:36

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

Lupis, I remember you are the one making trouble here. I do not know if you have a csw? Did you know Mona? I do not think so, I remember you are one of these person who are talking "clever" because they did hear something from other people who know nothing, it is called "gossip" what you(!) are talking about.

And I did not write anything about working line but I wrote that Mona did IPO I and so on. And I know that my Myla could easyly do IPO but I am personally not a friend of this.

Shy dogs? Of course not in this line. Intelligent dogs, more than ohter csw? Yes of course!

And Grandma from fahters side - Falin - is one of the best mantrailer in germany. She was in tv with fascinating work!

Izzy, father of Yolka, is a strong character too. He is not a bone shy! Did you know him? I think no. I know him and his owner Sonja, the best speciality jduge of the breed personally. He is so strong in character that even Sonja needed some time to get him in good control. Nothing about shy genes!

And Carr Maly Bysterec is one of these nice csw too, even not a shy bone.

So please stop talking bullshit!

Christian

I see many Crying wolf in Italy. Like only one with normal character. All other are very much shy. I hear Yam is also shy. I read english forum and other say same: Crying wolf is sometimes nice but never you can write is working line. You make me laught,
Mona in in old generations - you not talk bullshit but read about genetic.
You have exams? Basic minimum. What exam has father and mother of puppy. Grandparents? not one.
You cheat if you say working line is line with bad character and no exams.

I read you post and i see you have wolfdog but no idea about work with CLC and character. But you say working line about dogs of your frends. Also about not working dogs with bad character,

if i am wrong - write here ONE dogs from 2 generations from this line with one exam.... you not find because nobody buy a Crying wolf for work. Nobody is stupid.

N do not make trouble in forum. But i angry to read such lies.

lupis · 08-05-2010, 14:40

I right - I check again database and find mother. Everybody can see bonitation:
http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.php?op=modload&name=WolfdogDB&newlang=eng& file=bonitation&wid=7930
She is shy like her brother.

Maybe you like shy dogs for work and showing in TV. But for real work you need normal character.

hanninadina · 08-05-2010, 17:37

Lupi did you ever saw a bonitation? I am sorry, you even did not write which csw do you have in "about me". But you write that you are a beginner. And please if you have many years experience and if you have been in all countries for summercamps, shows and bonitations, than you can are invitedt to write like you have knowledge. But you even do not know the dogs you are writing about.

I know nothing about your knowledge about dogs or wolfdogs. I know only that you are reading, writing and talking a lot about things you are a beginner in! So keep a bit shy, it would be better.

I have 4 wolfdogs. I invite you to have a look on my homepage.

Christian

PS: Dogs must not pass exams so that you can see if they are able to work!

Rona · 08-05-2010, 18:11

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

Dogs must not pass exams so that you can see if they are able to work!

Must not???? You mean they're not allowed to? By whom?!

Gypsy Wolf · 08-05-2010, 20:17

Lupis, as for my girlfriend's choice of Crying Wolf, that was HER decision, not mine. I introduced her to the breed, she did some research - including looking at the bonitation of the dam, and decided she liked the sire so much, she was willing to risk sharpness. She is also a long-time working-line Malinois person, so sharpness is something she LIKES. A little "skitziness" or "nervy" behavior is common in Malinois and not something that bothers her.
She wanted a vlcak that would be flashy in competitive obedience and liked to bite. Edgy behavior was not a worry for her. In fact, she sort of feels that such behavior often goes hand in hand with the ultra-sensitivity and reactiveness she likes to see in a flashy dog.
I fully trust her ability to work with just about any temperament, and of course the final decision is hers.
Personally, I much prefer going to the breeder's home and seeing parents for myself. Though I did trust a good friend to select an import GSD for me, sight-unseen. My girlfriend was comfortable with Edit sending her the puppy sight-unseen. Again, her call.
So we'll see how it goes. So far the puppy has greatly surprised her with his resilience to all the stress he's gone through during a serious period in development.
And really, I know a LOT of Malinois breeders - show and working lines. I don't know ANY that have had a "perfect record" when it comes to temperament. There are often fruitloops produced in the breed, regardless of how careful you are. Vlcaks are similar in many ways to Malinois. With Edit's number of litters produced in her many years, no doubt a few fruitloops crop up from time to time. You can't help it breeding the kind of temperament the breed has.
I would bet if you bred a few litters you would see that for yourself. It happens.
So don't get a puppy from Crying Wolf - your choice. Just as it was my friend's choice to do so. I respect your opinion - you have said your piece. Now I would appreciate your respect as well - criticizing a newbie is not really such a good way to welcome them into the breed. Educating them is.

yukidomari · 10-05-2010, 15:44

What's done is done; Luna's mom's friend has a new puppy, so let's be happy for her. Whether or not it pans out as a working dog or just a very much loved pet doesn't matter to the dog.

Let's be happy for her friend. Maybe her puppy will be the rare dog out of lines not known for working.

Arguments based on if a person has seen, or not seen, specific kennels' dogs are pretty much irrelevant; if the kennel has a record of producing working dogs, there is no need to defend itself.. the evidence speaks for itself.

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08-05-2010, 14:21	#2
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Lupis, I remember you are the one making trouble here. I do not know if you have a csw? Did you know Mona? I do not think so, I remember you are one of these person who are talking "clever" because they did hear something from other people who know nothing, it is called "gossip" what you(!) are talking about. And I did not write anything about working line but I wrote that Mona did IPO I and so on. And I know that my Myla could easyly do IPO but I am personally not a friend of this. Shy dogs? Of course not in this line. Intelligent dogs, more than ohter csw? Yes of course! And Grandma from fahters side - Falin - is one of the best mantrailer in germany. She was in tv with fascinating work! Izzy, father of Yolka, is a strong character too. He is not a bone shy! Did you know him? I think no. I know him and his owner Sonja, the best speciality jduge of the breed personally. He is so strong in character that even Sonja needed some time to get him in good control. Nothing about shy genes! And Carr Maly Bysterec is one of these nice csw too, even not a shy bone. So please stop talking bullshit! Christian

08-05-2010, 14:40	#4
lupis Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 153	I right - I check again database and find mother. Everybody can see bonitation: http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.php?op=modload&name=WolfdogDB&newlang=eng& file=bonitation&wid=7930 She is shy like her brother. Maybe you like shy dogs for work and showing in TV. But for real work you need normal character.

08-05-2010, 17:37	#5
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Lupi did you ever saw a bonitation? I am sorry, you even did not write which csw do you have in "about me". But you write that you are a beginner. And please if you have many years experience and if you have been in all countries for summercamps, shows and bonitations, than you can are invitedt to write like you have knowledge. But you even do not know the dogs you are writing about. I know nothing about your knowledge about dogs or wolfdogs. I know only that you are reading, writing and talking a lot about things you are a beginner in! So keep a bit shy, it would be better. I have 4 wolfdogs. I invite you to have a look on my homepage. Christian PS: Dogs must not pass exams so that you can see if they are able to work!

08-05-2010, 20:17	#7
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Lupis, as for my girlfriend's choice of Crying Wolf, that was HER decision, not mine. I introduced her to the breed, she did some research - including looking at the bonitation of the dam, and decided she liked the sire so much, she was willing to risk sharpness. She is also a long-time working-line Malinois person, so sharpness is something she LIKES. A little "skitziness" or "nervy" behavior is common in Malinois and not something that bothers her. She wanted a vlcak that would be flashy in competitive obedience and liked to bite. Edgy behavior was not a worry for her. In fact, she sort of feels that such behavior often goes hand in hand with the ultra-sensitivity and reactiveness she likes to see in a flashy dog. I fully trust her ability to work with just about any temperament, and of course the final decision is hers. Personally, I much prefer going to the breeder's home and seeing parents for myself. Though I did trust a good friend to select an import GSD for me, sight-unseen. My girlfriend was comfortable with Edit sending her the puppy sight-unseen. Again, her call. So we'll see how it goes. So far the puppy has greatly surprised her with his resilience to all the stress he's gone through during a serious period in development. And really, I know a LOT of Malinois breeders - show and working lines. I don't know ANY that have had a "perfect record" when it comes to temperament. There are often fruitloops produced in the breed, regardless of how careful you are. Vlcaks are similar in many ways to Malinois. With Edit's number of litters produced in her many years, no doubt a few fruitloops crop up from time to time. You can't help it breeding the kind of temperament the breed has. I would bet if you bred a few litters you would see that for yourself. It happens. So don't get a puppy from Crying Wolf - your choice. Just as it was my friend's choice to do so. I respect your opinion - you have said your piece. Now I would appreciate your respect as well - criticizing a newbie is not really such a good way to welcome them into the breed. Educating them is.

10-05-2010, 15:44	#8
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	What's done is done; Luna's mom's friend has a new puppy, so let's be happy for her. Whether or not it pans out as a working dog or just a very much loved pet doesn't matter to the dog. Let's be happy for her friend. Maybe her puppy will be the rare dog out of lines not known for working. Arguments based on if a person has seen, or not seen, specific kennels' dogs are pretty much irrelevant; if the kennel has a record of producing working dogs, there is no need to defend itself.. the evidence speaks for itself.