Hi, new here :)

[AMERICANI]

Hi AraiNI and Vicky... (Vicky, I think I tried to send a message a while back, but I have less than the best internet here, so I think I lost the reply while trying to send it.) I have been exposed to CsVs for the last 3 years, and I now have 4 of them (and 2 mutts). I want to see these wonderful animals in America, but like you mentioned earlier (about the puppy mills) I want to be sure they are the the best of hands. Some day (hopefully in about 2 years) I will start breeding them in Texas. I am very eager to see CsVs in our working dog community. This breed is easy to fall in love with, but at the same time, it is not like any dog you've ever had before.... with that being said, I've found, they are all different within themselves as well.
-My first "Ecaterina" (Estia dell Olimpalus) is very dominant with other dogs, but easily accepts me as her alpha. She doesn't like to be left alone (who does) and ate my seatbelts and window seals in my truck the day I went to pick up "Piter".
-My second "Piter" (Piter priv-Panicucci) is very calm (for the breed), docile to an extent, goofy, clumsy, and must 'carefully' jump on you to show his affection (note: I did my best to train him not to jump because I don't like it, but I'm beginning to think it is a lost cause with CsVs), and he likes to chew on ears while licking inside of them. And to top it off! He CAN be TRUSTED to NOT shred the interior of a car on a road trip!!!!
-My third, "Elsa" (priv - Bilotti), COMPLETE PSYCHOPATH!. Houdini would be amazed! She can escape anything (so far). Eats couches via broken remains of kennel vent, I put her in my truck for about 30 seconds to race in to use the restroom before a vet run, I came back....Seat belts were totally finished off as well as my headrests to both seats.. She is the most wolfish of them all (and possibly the prettiest).. She is still rather new to me, and I believe these negative issues will dissipate with work and time.
-My fourth ( as of Wednesday) "Soselo" (Garm -Braterswo Wilcakow) Is only 9 weeks old, can climb very well, is very attentive, plays with the big dogs, and howls like a miniature wolf when kennelled up. He loves snow, and "talking". the sounds he makes are so awesome and yet interesting & sometimes creepy (almost sounds humanish).

I just returned from a road trip to Poland to buy Soselo. On my way (there and back), I stopped in Prague, Berlin, Warsaw, Krakow (Auschwitz Museum), Bratislava and Venice. I finally had a chance to let Piter play in the snow for the first - 60th time. I just wanted to share my recent voyage with everyone. I sincerely recommend vacationing to Central Europe. Warsaw has some big malls, but all of these places would be more convenient using public transportation... Parking was a pain in Prague!

BACK ON TRACK - I would like to stay in touch with Americans honestly interested in CsVs. At this moment, all I have is the site I made www.americanikennels.com as contact info. In the future I plan to obtain the license and everything else required to operate a dog hotel for people who want the best place for thier furry family members to stay when they go on vacation.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

-My fourth ( as of Wednesday) "Soselo" (Garm -Braterswo Wilcakow) Is only 9 weeks old, can climb very well, is very attentive, plays with the big dogs, and howls like a miniature wolf when kennelled up. He loves snow, and "talking". the sounds he makes are so awesome and yet interesting & sometimes creepy (almost sounds humanish).

If he's as lovely as his half-brother Evan, I'm sure he'll give you a lot of happiness!

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

I just returned from a road trip to Poland to buy Soselo. On my way (there and back), I stopped in Prague, Berlin, Warsaw, Krakow (Auschwitz Museum), Bratislava and Venice. I finally had a chance to let Piter play in the snow for the first - 60th time. I just wanted to share my recent voyage with everyone. .

You were in Krakow, and you didn't come to see us??? Great mistake!! We had a CSW meeting recently and your puppy would have a chance to meet his brother Evan and cousin Lorelei among other CZW.

[sciamalaia]

Americani, where are you now? Are you in Venice? If you are near we can met each other.. I would like to see your dogs.

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

(Vicky, I think I tried to send a message a while back, but I have less than the best internet here, so I think I lost the reply while trying to send it.)

If you sent something, I never got it!


AraiNI, we will definitely have to do that some time!! Buddy needs more "friends" like him, the only dogs he ever sees are labs and goldens, so you're right, they don't know how to "play"! However, we generally shy away from dog parks just because Buddy doesn't understand personal space, so he'll howl/bark right at other dogs and get surprised when they turn on him, and we always have to try and stay right by him because he's a humper. Are there times that are better for having less dogs around? Also, how big is the area? We've been meaning to check the place out, but we haven't found it! haha

I don't think we'd have free time for it for awhile, but we'll still have to plan something down the line. I'd love to meet your dogs!

[AraiNI]

Lupa and Meeka are still at the stage that they don't understand when a dog is telling them to back off, they think the other dogs just want to play...and they both have got such little coordination with their limbs right now that some dogs just don't like them too much, lol. Ami's a humper too, its such a pain isn't it? Typically there are less people earlier in the day. The one in homer glan is really slow in the day, but I was going there when it was still fairly new (we lived in new lenox at that time), so I'm not sure if it changed since then. The one out there is (i think) 5 or 6 acres separated into 4 areas. Three areas with a pavillion and one larger area connected in back of the big dog areas with a walking path. It's really lovely, I really wish I could justify spending the gas to go there more often, but the one on black road is a 30 second drive and the one in Naperville is about a 15 minute drive....

Anyway, I would love if someone could give me a little more to add to my website on CSV, right now this is all I have "CSV can be traced back to 1955. They are recognized as the national breed in Czechoslovakia.They are considered "Low Content Wolfdogs"" plus a link to this website.

http://northerninuitusa.webs.com/otherbreeds.htm

I don't want to give incorrect information, so I figured this would be the best place to ask. Thanks

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by AraiNI

Anyway, I would love if someone could give me a little more to add to my website on CSV, right now this is all I have "CSV can be traced back to 1955. They are recognized as the national breed in Czechoslovakia.They are considered "Low Content Wolfdogs"" plus a link to this website.

http://northerninuitusa.webs.com/otherbreeds.htm

I don't want to give incorrect information, so I figured this would be the best place to ask. Thanks

If you are talking about the breed in the US, you can find official AKC and UKC info here (the breed is recordable with AKC/FSS and fully registerable with UKC - it is known as the Czechoslovakian Vlcak). It can compete in Companion events in the AKC, as well as Conformation B matches. It is fully recognized by the FCI; while it is a national breed of the former Czechoslovakia, it's patronage country is now Slovakia, although the Czech breeding commission works very closely as well. I don't know if it is "the" official breed in either country.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/czechoslovakian_wolfdog/
http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/B...ovakianWolfdog

The breed was created with a working purpose in mind, not just as a "wolf look-alike". It is not considered a "low content wolfdog" in the US - according to Humane Society policy, anything beyond F5 (generation 5 after wolf breeding) is only a dog - current CSVs in the US are all a few generations beyond F5. In reality, they still carry some wolfish influence in temperament, and looks, obviously.

If you look under "History" on this website, you will also find some info.

Marcy

[AMERICANI]

I wish I had publicly announced my trip now, aside from my ATM card locking me out because I forgot my PIN in Prauge, I would have loved to had hooked up with some other human beings (Piter was great company as well - He let me know if someone was near the car when I pulled over to rest). Daniel was really friendly! I even had a beer with some Polish soldiers at my hotel...I want to go back when it isn't so cold.

[AMERICANI]

Sorry i'm back in Napoli.... The 3 hours I was there (due to the mad-house of carnevale - which I forgot all about until I wound up in the middle of it)... Like I said, had I made my trip known to everyone we probably would have been able to hook up. I definitely know what to do next time!

[AraiNI]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

If you are talking about the breed in the US, you can find official AKC and UKC info here (the breed is recordable with AKC/FSS and fully registerable with UKC - it is known as the Czechoslovakian Vlcak). It can compete in Companion events in the AKC, as well as Conformation B matches. It is fully recognized by the FCI; while it is a national breed of the former Czechoslovakia, it's patronage country is now Slovakia, although the Czech breeding commission works very closely as well. I don't know if it is "the" official breed in either country.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/czechoslovakian_wolfdog/
http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/B...ovakianWolfdog

The breed was created with a working purpose in mind, not just as a "wolf look-alike". It is not considered a "low content wolfdog" in the US - according to Humane Society policy, anything beyond F5 (generation 5 after wolf breeding) is only a dog - current CSVs in the US are all a few generations beyond F5. In reality, they still carry some wolfish influence in temperament, and looks, obviously.

If you look under "History" on this website, you will also find some info.

Marcy

Thank you, most of the information I get is from the UK sites, so the information I have is probably old and (considering the sources) wrong. I knew that CSV was created for a working purpose, I hope I didn't make it seem like it wasn't. I just wanted to mention other breeds that people might come across in their search. Thanks for the information

[AraiNI]

Does this sound right?

CSV can be traced back to 1955 when the first matings of a German Shepherd Dog with a Carpathian Wolf took place. Several generations of matings happened between dogs that were tested for their capacity for training, activity and tenacity. These later generations were used as service dogs in the army. The last inclusion of wolf lines was in 1983 and the breed has been bred pure since. In some countries they are considered "low content wolfdogs" but in America, all the the current residing dogs are beyond F5. They do, however, still retain some wolf influence in temperament and looks. CSV is recordable with AKC, fully registerable with UKC, and fully recocgnized by FCI.

Thanks so much for you help!

Is anyone familiar with Saarloos, too? Or know of a place I could look? I've had much more trouble finding information on them.

[AMERICANI]

Try Norway.... They seem to not have a problem with Saarloos.... They are used as blind dogs, and for some reason (I would never suggest any country in Europe eh-hem {cough} .. be crooked) They are legal there... EVEN THOUGH.... CSVs are banned because they are a dangerous wolf breed... One day, when I come back home (Stateside) I will chat more. Jason