What is this?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by solowolf

hi, i have mentioned this subject lots of times and it is ignored but now that you mention it Mikael...

As for why do pups from same litters sometimes look so different,this is not uncommon in dog breeding with new breeds but as you state as time goes by and the generations grow the type will become steady...

regards pacino

Exactly my point !!!

Now is this a steady litter ??? I do not think so...

Maybe one or two of them look as a CsV standard dog, the rest look like mixes to me...
but it is the same litter

Iuna ---Casa della Rosa--- X Dredo ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- litter from 2008-11-14

>>> http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/d5238.html

















And I think it did started about here...
>>> http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/d4002.html

Now what do you think ???


Very best regards / Mikael

[Nebulosa]

I think that the similarity of the the litter ended to be, in this case, about what a good photografer can do.
If you forget about it and try to evaluate the dog without took in consideration the magic of the photo, you will see that all them have some similar characteristics.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

I think that the similarity of the the litter ended to be, in this case, about what a good photografer can do.
If you forget about it and try to evaluate the dog without took in consideration the magic of the photo, you will see that all them have some similar characteristics.

i have looked at the photos and i agree with you they all have one thing in common they are all DOGS,, apart from that they are chalk and cheeze,,, tail set in one of the pics is well lost for words,,,,,, now have look at bone, pic 2 and 4, then look at rest, notice the heavy fur on inner ears, i know to well where this comes from, shape of ears the rounded tips,,, big difference in coats, color and lenght, back ends, pic 2 and 4 look at return of stifle, then look at the others,not even close, i have seen plenty of litters with variations but this litter is hard to believe, in fact i dont believe it is one litter at all.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by solowolf

notice the heavy fur on inner ears, i know to well where this comes from, shape of ears the rounded tips,,,

Tell us, were does it come from?

Michael

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by solowolf

... notice the heavy fur on inner ears ...

loooooooool

Have I to shave "the heavy fur on inner ears" of my dogs now???

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Angelika

loooooooool

Have I to shave "the heavy fur on inner ears" of my dogs now???

i have looked at the pics of your dogs all have normal ears and and normal amount of fur, the photo of the pup in third frame has lots more than normal czech, no one is blaming the breeder of this litter for anything but the truth is there is a cross lined dog or bitch in its lines that for sure, i breed F1 F2 F3 AND ONWARD. the cws and saarloos have more crossed lines than you can ever imagine, including malamute cross done in southern France, saarloos and cws cross done in northern france, and pure wolf to saarloos and cws in southern france the wolf used was not european wolf and was done in 1990s. FACTS not bulls..t. p.s and also high wolf content male to saarloos still going on today with pups still being registered as pure bred. one young couple have pup from this breeding that is not year old and can do nothing with it, it is so shy and they are not experienced enough to do any work with it, so dont think for one minute you have any idea of what has went on with cross breeding in the cws, id ont go on hearsay or listen ti gossip i go and find out the true facts, and my wife and i where both in the company of the people from france and holland who done some of this as they trusted us at that time,,,,,,,,
so how do you feel about the breedings of passo del lupo that are on this data base??? or are you to busy shaving your dogs ears,,,,,,, myself and others will now take look at all breeders and registered litters on this data base for people who abuse there bitchs and make list for publication in dog mags to warn buyers and put there names on lots of wolfdog and wolfdog related web sites naming and shaming them and hopefully get the authorities involved in animal welfare.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by solowolf

i have looked at the pics of your dogs

Fine, thank you. I´m sure you´ve noticed that the pics of my dogs are really old. I´m not interested in refreshing them - but come along and try to take a look at my CsV. Don´t you know that pics are always lying?

the cws and saarloos have more crossed lines than you can ever imagine, including malamute cross done in southern France, saarloos and cws cross done in northern france, and pure wolf to saarloos and cws in southern france the wolf used was not european wolf and was done in 1990s.

Please don´t forget the Saarloos wolfhonden with British or Northern Inuits or CsV with wolves in the U.K.

so how do you feel about the breedings of passo del lupo

Sorry, but I´m no Don Q. If there are enough people to buy puppies there ... Your windmills are not mine.

or are you to busy shaving your dogs ears,,,,,,,

Yeeessssssss

myself and others will now take look at all breeders and registered litters on this data base for people who abuse there bitchs and make list for publication in dog mags to warn buyers and put there names on lots of wolfdog and wolfdog related web sites naming and shaming them and hopefully get the authorities involved in animal welfare.

Why not? But don´t forget that your reputation - after crossing a CsV with a wolf - is not the very best.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Angelika

Why not? But don´t forget that your reputation - after crossing a CsV with a wolf - is not the very best.

And there are a lot of experts who think that breeding mixes for personal interests is a massive abuse of animals.

Originally Posted by Rona

I don't know how many of you share my opinion, but if we start tolerating verbal bullies here, in no time wolfdog.org will turn into sewage pipe. My British grandma ofen used a proveb "birds of a feather flock together" - why don't the bulies "flock together", but ... somewhere else.

I absolutely agree and have seen the effects a lot of times, the result is that there is no more normal forum because everybody else leaves and bullying people is very effective in this way.

Ina

[massimo]

Originally Posted by solowolf

never mind the ears what are you lot going to do with the kennels passo del lupo and his abuse of his bitchs, F..k all your to busy putting up your stupid silly f..king remarks about one litter that have no type, while bitchs suffer in Italy at the hands of this breeder, not one of you give a dam about the CWS, you are a load of w....ers, Today i have written letter to FCI lodging complaint about the exessive breeding of bitchs by the passo del lupo kennels it is backed up by two vets, my friends in europe will also now get involved as we will not sit back and see animals abused like this, ITS YOUR BREED YOUR BELOVED CWS, as for cross breeding in europe i lived in europe for 5 yrs and i can give you list of cross bred czechs that have been registered as pure bred, but what would be the use of it as you lot will do nothing about it, not one comment on my posts about the abuse of cws bitchs by passo del lupo, either your all afraid to speak or you all as i think dont give a shit....

Again wrong thread and bad language. (fill in the dots...)
I hope administration of this site does something about this user as soon as possible.
He may have good arguments but expressing them in a totally wrong way.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Try to evaluate the dog without took in consideration the magic of the photo, you will see that all them have some similar characteristics.

Yes they might have some similarities as they probably are born from the same mother And I think also the same father

I do not blame this breeder, I do not think they did mix, but I do think Passo del lupo did. as I already did say...

Best regards / Mikael

[wolflinx]

the father and mather are CSW and the puppy are brother .
This is Duska :

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Exactly my point !!!

Now is this a steady litter ??? I do not think so...

Maybe one or two of them look as a CsV standard dog, the rest look like mixes to me...
but it is the same litter

Iuna ---Casa della Rosa--- X Dredo ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- litter from 2008-11-14

>>> http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/d5238.html

















And I think it did started about here...
>>> http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/d4002.html

Now what do you think ???


Very best regards / Mikael

i think cameras where invented before the date the pups where born so maybe we can get photos of the bitch? there are plenty of pics of other bitchs used by this breeder, i think there is something very not correct here and i think everyone is due explaination, i do not believe all these dogs in pics are from same litter.

[massimo]

I read the last comments of this post and really couldn't stop laughing!!
The only "serious" comment was made of course by the one who has most rational mind...Paula.
You are comparing pics made on snow and pics not, 3-4 months puppies with almost adults...pics made by semi pros and pics made by amateurs...
Oh gosh!!
Do you want me to show you Galiba pics and the ones of his brothers? or Eligo put next to his brothers? do they all look the same??
they are ONE litter...with normal differences from brothers.
Witch hunt!!
Witch hunt!!
Witch hunt!!
Witch hunt!!

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by massimo

Witch hunt!!
Witch hunt!!
Witch hunt!!
Witch hunt!!

But no one did even mention a word about Monica ... yet

/ Mikael

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Mikael

But no one did even mention a word about Monica ... yet

/ Mikael

This is very confusing, I did understand Monika that a whitch hunt is asking someone questions that he doesn´t want to answer but we have a lot of answers here...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

This is very confusing, I did understand Monika that a whitch hunt is asking someone questions that he doesn´t want to answer but we have a lot of answers here...

Yes at least more answers than Monica did ever give on any question

Very best regards / Mikael

[wolflinx]

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[na]

I think .... I think ... No, I don’t think, I say. I only know that these puppies are CSW and they are not hybrids, they are simply the result of a work of 2 people who love the breed and trying to improve it.
All this puppies (6) are regularly registred in the LOI, and if you want to do the DNA test you come to take samples.
I’m sorry for my bad English.
Nadia and Fabrizio

[lupis]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Maybe one or two of them look as a CsV standard dog, the rest look like mixes to me...
but it is the same litter

Are not mixes but CLC register in ENCI - no mixed with anything. Look some strange because the same different eyes has the father Anouk (in pedigree Dredo) and many his puppies have such strange eyes but are real CLC.

Originally Posted by Mikael

It is also not mix but many young dogs here in Italia have hanging ears. It is common fault but dogs here - for me one very common for dogs from Passo del Lupos lineage.

[wilupi!]

It's incredible!!!!!!

I know very well Dredo and Iuna and ARE CSW !!!! In Italy you can find something similar to Mutara(a few years and not only from pdl) but it's impossible find something similar to European wolf like this..also because in Italy is illegal have a real wolf and impossible to capture it.

Is was a breeding very successful betwen two CSW pure,without a drop of blood of wolf or other....