kaya's pups

[tikaani]

can some one help me, i cant figger out how to add kayas pups to database?

all 9 pups are doing well and are nice and healthy, kaya is doing a great job with them, was worried she might sqash a few but she hasnt

[Rona]

I suppose you should write to Admin, ... but as far as I have noticed he updates the database more or less every 2 months, so it might take a while...

[Mikael]

Tikaani, do you seriously mean that you have mated a shy 11 month old not HD tested puppy to a not HD tested female ???

As on your site it say…
"GUS is a pure czechoslovakian wolf dog. he is male and very freindly in nature, a little bit shy…" GUS = Fergus Crying Wolf Birthday: 2008.12.06

/ Mikael
　

[Pavel]

Again one horrible case. nd as I see, Tikaani dont feel anything. She create the forum and is proud, that producing puppies on not adult and not health tested dogs. Am very sad

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Mikael

...you have mated a shy 11 month old not HD tested puppy to a not HD tested female ???

It's not an error in the database?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Rona

It's not an error in the database?

That is what I´m trying to ask in post # 10

Best regards / Mikael

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Tikaani, do you seriously mean that you have mated a shy 11 month old not HD tested puppy to a not HD tested female ???

As on your site it say…
"GUS is a pure czechoslovakian wolf dog. he is male and very freindly in nature, a little bit shy…" GUS = Fergus Crying Wolf Birthday: 2008.12.06

/ Mikael
　

No, I think Kaya has results: http://offa.org/display.html?appnum=1376866#animal
It is "preliminary" because OFA requires the dog to be 24 months, Kaya was 18 - Mild Unilateral = C hip on one side

The birthdate of Takima's litter has been changed on wolfdog.org recently(I remember, because two of her littermates - Jorja and Raider - are listed as being in the US, so I wrote down the information in my own "USA" records) - it used to say 01.12.2007, same as this Kaya.

Also, there is this thread, the film date is the same as the thread date:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11285

I think the BVA only reads test results for registered breeds in the UK, which is why the films were examined in the US through OFA (there is no registration number - NOREG). I don't know why it says AKC; this is not an AKC number, and this dog is definitely not registered through AKC. Although, I think Wolfzone (or maybe Paul) somehow had official results from the BVA on Kaya's parents - it appears to be the UK scoring scheme in the database results.

[Rona]

Tikkani,
Since there are some unclear issues, could you please sort them out ? It would be great if you wrote how old the parents were, if they were X-rayed and what HD results they obtained.

Don't be surprised that after all the wolfdog.org discussions on unethical CSV breeding in the UK people are a bit distrustful...

I somehow took for granted that you were the kind of person who wanted to do things right, i.e. breed CSV according to certain standards, like reliable breeders in Europe do. I hope I was not mistaken?

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Rona

Tikkani,
Since there are some unclear issues, could you please sort them out ? It would be great if you wrote how old the parents were, if they were X-rayed and what HD results they obtained.

Don't be surprised that after all the wolfdog.org discussions on unethical CSV breeding in the UK people are a bit distrustful...

I somehow took for granted that you were the kind of person who wanted to do things right, i.e. breed CSV according to certain standards, like reliable breeders in Europe do. I hope I was not mistaken?

here we go again UK BREEDERS it is very obvious people on this site take great pleasure in slagging off uk breeders, and dont start all the usual bull about the health of the dogs routine, we have heard it all before, not long ago anyone who has not got dogs tested can not put there litters on the breeders listings, this was because lots of litters born in EUROPE by EUROPEAN BREEDERS did not have health tests done, and it still remains the same, in fact as you are all so clever can you let us all know the exact % of the CWS population over the age of 16 mths that has been tested, and the number of litters born where either both parents where not tested or where only 1 parent was tested, now in the uk up to date there has been 6 litters born, 5 of these litters has had both parents health tested and Lees litter has had one parent tested so in % the uk breeders are well ahead of Europe with tested dogs. i will have two litters born in 2010 and i am sure Andre will have 1 all the dogs being used are health tested, the litters that Andre has had the adults are all health tested as are mine only difference is i dont send anything to wolfdog.org or any info on what i breed, Why, because of people like you and the others who do every thing so correct, now as for the age of Lees bitch she is two yrs old so about 18mths when she was mated, so no breeders in Europe breed before 18mths ???? in uk the kennel club allow any bitch over the age of 1 to be bred from, i therefor take it that the FCI has different rules??? please let us know... as for the age of the dog, i was not aware that there was any age limit for useing a dog at stud??? as for the comment that Lee made about his dog was a bit shy, he had only got the dog from Europe when he made the comment, i know Gus and he is very out going dog with fantastic temperament, I also own imported dogs from the same kennels and they are all out going dogs with fantastic temperament. Now Lee is rushing to get his dog hip scored after all the comments here, but i am advising him to leave the dog till he is 16 mths old, and not to be doing anything in hurry because of the remarks made on this forum, i have explained there are lots of litters born all over Europe where the tests have not been carried out, Lee has bred a litter of pups from a tested 2 yr old bitch, and a young male dog not tested, if when tested the dog is clear then no harm has been done if it is bad result then Lee will be reasponsable for what he has done, but to jump on the band wagon and slagg off other breeders in uk is reckless and uncalled for especially now you all realise the % of non tested dog breedings take place in Europe, and i dont see you lot slagging them off........ the breeding of non tested animals will continue untill the FCI and Kennel club of uk make it compuslory for all breeding stock to be tested and that any dog failing a test will not be eligable to be used for breeding. so untill that day comes breedings of untested animals will continue, do you think the FCI or Kennel club will do this or do you think they just want the MONEY FROM PUPPY REGISTRATIONS????????? In the uk at present dogs that have affect eye results or extreanly high hip scores that have been tested under the BVA and the results are written onto the dogs pedigree and noted by the kennel club, yet if any of these affected dogs are used in breeding the uk kennel club still REGISTER THE PUPPIES,,,,,MONEY MONEY MONEY they show they care nothing of the wealfare of the dogs they allow to be used in breeding or the puppies produced from these breedings they only want registration fee.... and on a more serious note, my mother has bad eyes and my father has had hip replacement, that means im F....d
this post should get your fingers busy good night

[tupacs2legs]

Kaya couldnt of been mated when she was 18months,she is from the previous litter to my lad..she must be nearer to 2 1/2

[lupis]

Originally Posted by solowolf

i know Gus and he is very out going dog with fantastic temperament, I also own imported dogs from the same kennels and they are all out going dogs with fantastic temperament. Now Lee is rushing to get his dog hip scored after all the comments here, but i am advising him to leave the dog till he is 16 mths old, and not to be doing anything in hurry because of the remarks made on this forum

You see to be not very experienced CLC breeder because i see you not have enough knowledge of CLC. Gus is son of Argo Pøízrak Karpat. And he is dog with many puppies with 50% with strong displasia and only amateur breeder will breed with such dog without testing his hips for dysplasia. To make litter with this dog is unresponsible.

I see in database you import from crying wolf another problematic puppie coming from displasia line. Your female is Histeria Crying wolf and you say you have experiences in breeding but you import female for breeding which is inbreed on Feherlofia - a dysplatic dog and have many many dog with bad results in pedigree.

you write many things about health of CLC and criticize other but you do very bad work in you contry because you say it is good to breed with dog from dysplasia line without knowing his hip results. And you import dogs inbreeded on dysplasia. You make really bad for health of CLC in UK.

[tupacs2legs]

hi
i believe the kc/bva do score csv's now..altough i do not intend to breed i am going to have my boy scored just for the information.

i do not see why the hurry to breed these two dogs

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

hi
I am going to have my boy scored just for the information...

Hello Layla, if you do a HD or ED x-ray please do it after your dog is 24 month old.

Very best regards / Mikael

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

hi
i believe the kc/bva do score csv's now..altough i do not intend to breed i am going to have my boy scored just for the information.

i do not see why the hurry to breed these two dogs

hi,it is good all dogs are tested, but i see Mikael gives advise on waiting till 24 mths, i would ignore this, you are vet nurse yourself and will know the majority of dogs are tested in uk at 14-16 mths old, the CWS is fast growing dog and tests can be done at 14-16 mths.

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by solowolf

hi,it is good all dogs are tested, but i see Mikael gives advise on waiting till 24 mths, i would ignore this, you are vet nurse yourself and will know the majority of dogs are tested in uk at 14-16 mths old, the CWS is fast growing dog and tests can be done at 14-16 mths.

Just as an example - my male tested HD free at 18 months, I saw the films myself, there was nothing there. I retested at 27 months, and he had gone from perfect to C in one hip...I had already bred him at this point. Mikael owns the full brother to that male - I think he errs on the side of caution after that instance. Official results can only be given at 24 months in the US...I think the reliability of the test at 18 months is around 80 - 90%, but late-onset HD has a better chance of being caught later on.