Winners of shows

michaelundinaeichhorn · 18-08-2009, 18:03

Hi,

what was the intention of this thread anyway?
I've seen dozens, probably more dogs behaving like this in certain situations they didn't like through the years.
Dogs from every country and every breeder.
I've seen dogs during the bonitation trembling and tail under the belly while measured, but receiving an Of in the character test.
And I've seen dogs perfectly trained for dog shows, but not able to cope with everyday situations.
Old and well known stories, so again, whats the intention?
And by the way, as everyone already wrote, you can't judge the character of a dog by one picture on internet

Michael

Nebulosa · 18-08-2009, 19:07

So far I think it have something to do with the fakt that Alud is winning some dogshows, probably only because she have a handler well know world wide also by the judges.

its nothing new, as very fell judges know the breed in question for really make a judgement.

massimo · 18-08-2009, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

So far I think it have something to do with the fakt that Alud is winning some dogshows, probably only because she have a handler well know world wide also by the judges.
its nothing new, as very fell judges know the breed in question for really make a judgement.

I really don't like this comment...sorry but I think you should have thought a couple of seconds before writing it...
I am NOT a friend of the owner of Alud... so I try to be as objective as possible.
I don't care about the shows she won in Switzerland and Greece and Lithuania and Slovenia...but Alud also won BOB at Special Club Show in Bratislava with Oskar Dora...
Maybe Oskar Dora is not good judge enough?? Maybe Oskar Dora sees only the handler and not the dog? maybe Oskar Dora cannot tell a shy dog from a normal one?
Please...I think this thread has no need to continue...
massimo

Nebulosa · 18-08-2009, 20:42

Or maybe he saw the show, not the dog, sorry I do really like Oskar, but he is human as anyone here.
Sorry Masimo, but I know very well how works a professional handler, as I know that they can make even the worstest dog in the world a nice exemple in the front of judges, and the worst, make this dog winn, no wonder why as its their work.
Maybe its because it still didn't arrives to CzW, but this kind of behaviour only brings problem to several breeds, and people must be warned.

jasmine · 18-08-2009, 21:35

It would be high time to OFF this topic,before you hurt more people!!!!!

Hanka · 19-08-2009, 07:31

Hello Massimo,
I only answeerd, I did not start attack somebody

))
I want only write: (and I know I write the same again)
If dog is normal, sanquinik, selfconfident, it has not "bad moment" and nobody can make bad fotos of this dog. I am only sad, when will be more and more normal to see on shows wolfdogs with tail under. Not care WHY. If they don´t like podium, noise on shows, etc.
If I will have shy wolfdog, I will not take him to national, international show, where is much other people, cameras, maybe TV....It makes bad view to our breed.
I can take shy wolfdog to some clubshow, because club show is more about results of breeding, seeing to genopool,.....
I don´t want degrade our wolfdogs to level of Saarlos.
Czech. wolfdog is working breed and I am sad, when I see, it is more and more only pet dog for garden with wolfish face.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 19-08-2009, 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

H)
If dog is normal, sanquinik, selfconfident, it has not "bad moment" and nobody can make bad fotos of this dog.
.

Sorry but this is simply not true as everybody knows who knows about dogs. I have seen dogs of yours having a bad moment and could have made a bad foto if I would have wanted to.
Dogs are living beings and have bad moments like we do...

Ina

jasmine · 19-08-2009, 09:21

I have got some bad pics about Hanka's dogs.....

shell I put it to this forum?????
Of course not....this is the big differences inbetween the people who just like mix the shit here and those who want use this site realy just for the BREED!

18-08-2009, 18:03	#1
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Hi, what was the intention of this thread anyway? I've seen dozens, probably more dogs behaving like this in certain situations they didn't like through the years. Dogs from every country and every breeder. I've seen dogs during the bonitation trembling and tail under the belly while measured, but receiving an Of in the character test. And I've seen dogs perfectly trained for dog shows, but not able to cope with everyday situations. Old and well known stories, so again, whats the intention? And by the way, as everyone already wrote, you can't judge the character of a dog by one picture on internet Michael Last edited by michaelundinaeichhorn; 18-08-2009 at 18:05.

18-08-2009, 19:07	#2
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	So far I think it have something to do with the fakt that Alud is winning some dogshows, probably only because she have a handler well know world wide also by the judges. its nothing new, as very fell judges know the breed in question for really make a judgement. __________________

18-08-2009, 20:42	#4
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Or maybe he saw the show, not the dog, sorry I do really like Oskar, but he is human as anyone here. Sorry Masimo, but I know very well how works a professional handler, as I know that they can make even the worstest dog in the world a nice exemple in the front of judges, and the worst, make this dog winn, no wonder why as its their work. Maybe its because it still didn't arrives to CzW, but this kind of behaviour only brings problem to several breeds, and people must be warned. __________________ Last edited by Nebulosa; 18-08-2009 at 21:07.

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18-08-2009, 21:35	#5
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	It would be high time to OFF this topic,before you hurt more people!!!!!

19-08-2009, 07:31	#6
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hello Massimo, I only answeerd, I did not start attack somebody )) I want only write: (and I know I write the same again) If dog is normal, sanquinik, selfconfident, it has not "bad moment" and nobody can make bad fotos of this dog. I am only sad, when will be more and more normal to see on shows wolfdogs with tail under. Not care WHY. If they don´t like podium, noise on shows, etc. If I will have shy wolfdog, I will not take him to national, international show, where is much other people, cameras, maybe TV....It makes bad view to our breed. I can take shy wolfdog to some clubshow, because club show is more about results of breeding, seeing to genopool,..... I don´t want degrade our wolfdogs to level of Saarlos. Czech. wolfdog is working breed and I am sad, when I see, it is more and more only pet dog for garden with wolfish face.

19-08-2009, 09:21	#8
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	I have got some bad pics about Hanka's dogs..... shell I put it to this forum????? Of course not....this is the big differences inbetween the people who just like mix the shit here and those who want use this site realy just for the BREED!