CW in the UK

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Yes to all ??? because of phenotype registration in FCI, which is sometimes good but mostly bad.
If you register the F1 as a CSW his offspring will get normal pedigrees after 4 generations.
And if you look up the discussion about Sangria Passo de Lupo you will find out this is not so far away.

Ina

But is it realy this simple ???

It was hard for Lennart Saarloos and Karel Hartl, way would it be simple now ??? minimum 5 generations from wolf FCI say ! Standard like and supervise breeding by FCI, like the way Rona talk about...

In Sweden you will NOT get your CsV or Saarloos peedigee after a normal mating whitout a DNA test that say that the parents is the parents, I do not se how no one here can register a F1 or a new line of CsW as you say can happen i Germany !!!

But if, way are you just thinking of a F1 from Paul ??? there is more wolf mixt dogs in Germany then one !!! and I do not se how a American Wolfdog x CsV will be CsV standard like

And I do not think FCI or German kennel club is this stupide as you say ???
But I might be wrong ???

Now I se way Christian is angry !!! but way at Paul ??? way not FCI or the German Kennel club ???

Best regards / Mikael

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

But is it realy this simple ???

It was hard for Lennart Saarloos and Karel Hartl, way would it be simple now ??? minimum 5 generations from wolf FCI say ! Standard like and supervise breeding by FCI, like the way Rona talk about...

In Sweden you will NOT get your CsV or Saarloos peedigee after a normal mating whitout a DNA test that say that the parents is the parents, I do not se how no one here can register a F1 or a new line of CsW as you say can happen i Germany !!!

But if, way are you just thinking of a F1 from Paul ??? there is more wolf mixt dogs in Germany then one !!! and I do not se how a American Wolfdog x CsV will be CsV standard like

And I do not think FCI or German kennel club is this stupide as you say ???
But I might be wrong ???

Now I se way Christian is angry !!! but way at Paul ??? way not FCI or the German Kennel club ???

Best regards / Mikael

If you look at my web site you will see that my litter differed the pups that look more wolflike take after the mother, eye colour, rounded ears, but look at pups that follow father, colour as CWD, same eye colour as cwd, same coat colour as CWD, bigger ears as CWD,now if i cross one of the pups that look like father with CWD, then cross again next generation with CWD, i can and would bring the offspring back to look identical to Cwd but with slightly higher content, and i can assure you they would look more like the pure CWD than some dogs now registered as pure CWD on wolfdog.org but as i said before i have no interest in doing this and nor do the people i sell to and breed with in Europe, USA, Ireland,Germany, Holland,France and U.K. we love our wolfdogs and if its of any interest of all the friends i have only myself and one other person owns CWD.if the clubs every decided they did need new blood line for the CWD then if they ask nicely i already have wolfdog bitch f3 bred from Europen wolf which i would glady give to them, it would save them lots of time.......or i can give them use of European wolf,,,,,,,,,,

[Rona]

Originally Posted by solowolf

... if i cross one of the pups that look like father with CWD, then cross again next generation with CWD, i can and would bring the offspring back to look identical to Cwd but with slightly higher content, and i can assure you they would look more like the pure CWD than some dogs now registered as pure CWD on wolfdog.org ....

So what? There is much, much more to CSV BREED than looks!!! A CSW might look more like a wolf or a dog, but it is still a dog. With a hybrid - it might look like a CSV or dog or a wolf, but could inherit a character of a wolf.
Which responisble, honest breeder would sell such a creature to anybody as a dog?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by solowolf

If you look at my web site you will see that my litter differed the pups that look more wolflike take after the mother, eye colour, rounded ears, but look at pups that follow father, colour as CWD, same eye colour as cwd, same coat colour as CWD, bigger ears as CWD,now if i cross one of the pups that look like father with CWD, then cross again next generation with CWD, i can and would bring the offspring back to look identical to Cwd but with slightly higher content, and i can assure you they would look more like the pure CWD than some dogs now registered as pure CWD on wolfdog.org but as i said before i have no interest in doing this and nor do the people i sell to and breed with in Europe, USA, Ireland,Germany, Holland,France and U.K. we love our wolfdogs and if its of any interest of all the friends i have only myself and one other person owns CWD.if the clubs every decided they did need new blood line for the CWD then if they ask nicely i already have wolfdog bitch f3 bred from Europen wolf which i would glady give to them, it would save them lots of time.......or i can give them use of European wolf,,,,,,,,,,

I think like Rona, CsV is not about the look !!! it is about the work !!!

Paul do you do any work tests like SVP 3 or IPO ???

And whit al do respect I do not think the clubs will ask you, as the have no problem at all to get a European wolf from the zoo. (Prag ?) maybe...

And I think they wont to be 1000% sure of all added wolfbood, and I do not think they will trust a UK breeder or any other breeder neather

I think that if you wont and have the experience you can develop a new breed, but that is a new breed and have nothing to do whit CsV...

And if you do ! Way do you wont more wolfbood ??? I would like to se a new beed whit less as less wolfbood is less problems

And as Nebulosa did say after that post, it can not be done legal on the CsV as it is a fixt breed already, THANK GOD !!! and if somebody do try it, it will be the illegal way...

Good luck whit your NEW breed, Best regards / Mikael

[Rona]

Mikael,
It's not accidental that whenever there is a topic about CSV in the UK it ends up as as a topic about mixbreeding wolves and dogs It seems to me some people are simply obsessed by this idea and CSVs and wolfdog.org are only a cover for getting more publicity for their completely different 'activities'

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Rona

Mikael,
It's not accidental that whenever there is a topic about CSV in the UK it ends up as as a topic about mixbreeding wolves and dogs It seems to me some people are simply obsessed by this idea and CSVs and wolfdog.org are only a cover for getting more publicity for their completely different 'activities'

Yes you are right Rona in 100% !!!
By looking at the topic of history it does sad but true...

Thanks Rona for bringing it up !!!

Therefore I say by by to of topic talk about CsV mixing in the UK topics...

Best regards / Mikael