Differences in breeding strategies and regulations

[massimo]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

... and they are using a male for breeding last litter coming out from a french breeder who has an american wolfdog and making puppies with csw. And telling, they saw the b- and C-litter csw in german speciality in 2008 that these dogs could not be clean csw. But using one of them for breeding. They talking with a tongue of a snake. That is the truht and everybody who looks behind the scene, no wrong now no one have to look behind the scene, because Neufifriend makes theme out of it.

Christian,
being a lawyer you should know better than me that you should be able to prove what you say an write, otherwise stay in silence. "B-C litter ...American wolfdog" is all very confusing and impossible to understand and out of our thread.

If mating a female within a year difference is forbidden in Germany but not in Italy, France, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, then it is a German problem, NOT OURS.
You should know well that "skipping" a heat for a CSW means to wait a whole year because of 1 heat per year, and specially when heat is difficult it is a pity to miss.
Also, if puppies were born 11 and then 9 it is not the breeder's fault.
Maybe you suggest to kill 2 or 3 pups so he can be "regular?".
And, moreover, mateing within 1 year (1 year minus a few days) is common with many breeders, take a look at Fendy, Upstream or Jolly for example.

Sorry guys this thread is rather boring and without much meaning to me, so I am, from now on, out.
massimo

[furyos]

christian . .. y NEVER speak about yu and yur kennel .. then really y prefer yu stop yur allusion .. because nobody is stupid : ... everybody know that mikael choose blue de la louve blanche for his last mariage ..and every body know that yur allusion is FOR ME .... what problem yu have with me ???? jalousy .. y don't think so because y never meet yu BUT if y look on yur web site YU; yu have an USA hybrid wolf .. don't forget that ...y m very proud about the mickael 's choice .. and see them last monday .. so exceptional puppies and very wolfish (ears small and up soon)so social ;in best conditions we can imagine for this breed .. in family home with all wishes they want ... we NEVER see yet yur WORK ..... y m just curios to see that .. please yur bad words on kennels (/hungrian italian/french or german ) can go away .. it will better for everybody ....last rumors on yu are not so nice too.. but y don't care about rumors ... ... regards ..frank

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by massimo

If mating a female within a year difference is forbidden in Germany but not in Italy, France, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, then it is a German problem, NOT OURS.

No, the Polish regulations are similar do the German. But I must affirm the execution is much stricter than in Germany. You can register ONLY one litter per year (it means one in 2007, one in 2008, one in 2009). If you know that the puppies will be born in the same year you CAN NOT cover the female. And you will never get any leniency.
If it happens that the puppies are born earlier - for example the planned date of birth was 02.01.2009 but the puppies were delivered already on 28.12.2008 they check the papers if it was not "planned" and if not they will register is but the litter will be 'counted' as it would be born in 2009. So in 2009 you can not have ANY puppies.

I know in many countries there are also huge problems with registered stud dogs which have "black" litters (mixes or puppies without pedigree) - where breeders get money for mating their dogs with mutts or dogs without breeding rights. The same is with breeders who have puppies with and without pedigrees....
In Poland we have no problem with it... Nobody will do something like this because if there will be a proof that your dog has intended litter without papers the breeder will be tried by the court at the Kennel Club and it is almost sure the breeder will be suspended.
We also can not cover ANY female if our dog is not recognized stud dog. And it doesn't matter that for example in Hungary the breeder can use such dog. Polish owner can not cover the Hungarian female (because in such case he breeder will be suspended).

But there is more - the Mutara gate will be NEVER possible in Poland.
First because I do not know even one case where the Kennel Club regulations were broken so many times as in this case.
Second - if something like this would happen here the people who were responsible for it will surfer SERIOUS consequences. Look the Czech case - the woman from the office who registered the fake litter is still there. The people who signed the papers feel really good. The breeder who made the litter is still registered CMKU breeder. Sorry but in the similar case in Poland there will be already some breeders who will be suspended for MANY years and their dogs removed from the pedigree book ( it means at the same time that the dogs can not be registered in ANY FCI country).
In Poland there would not be the case of Passo del Lupo who took the dogs banned by the Czech Club and registered them in Italy. One because the breeder would be AFFRAID of the consequences. Second because it would be not able to breed with a dog who was banned by an other FCI club. (Third - because in Poland you can breed ONLY with PUREBREED dogs with FULL pedigrees).

No, Poland is wrong example... If all countries will have the same regulation I promisse you there will be no mixes between CzW, there will be very few "black" litters and litters with fake parents...

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Though I agree with you on most of it I can´t see the difference for the female when I look a Jolly´s litters: 21.11.05, 19.7.06, 3.3.07, 11.1.08. They are in different years but with less than 11 month in between.

Ina

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Though I agree with you on most of it I can´t see the difference for the female when I look a Jolly´s litters: 21.11.05, 19.7.06, 3.3.07, 11.1.08. They are in different years but with less than 11 month in between.

Yes, it is her "cycle". The next heat was also in 2008 but it was already not allowed to cover her (because the puppies would be born in the end of 2008 ). Even if it means that in 2009 there will be NO possibility to cover her and the next litter will be in 2010 (it is just an example - she will not have any puppies in 2010)...
Anyway - if the female is changing the interval between the heats and it is smaller than 12 months there will be time when you HAVE to skip a heat without covering the female...

With Jolly it was working really nice but by Merry Bell and Ali we already have years with no possibility to cover them because of the regulations... Without any chance to get a special leniency (because the litter were not over numerous and because the females are in great condition). It is simple like this here....