Wolfdog org - official page?

[Wolfsirius]

In Finland you can see OFFICIAL HD results (ONLY xrayed in FINLAND accepted) OFFICIAL SHOWRESULTS (Only shows in FINLAND) OFFICIAL WORKINGRESULTS (ONLY in FINLAND) from the database of Finnish kennelclub. This database do not have any info example about puppies exported (any results of exported puppies).

In Finland HD results (x-rays) is judged by ONLY one person, and this is very bad system. As long as system is like this i (and many other) do not see any sense to send x-rays to Finnish kennelclub for judging.
(still, i x-ray my dogs) Here is one example about hd -results judged by FIN kennelclub, and result of complaining to Nordic kennelunion : (from C/B to A/B) http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...=FIN49053/05&R=

I pay (read: own) x-rays of my dogs, and after vet will send it to Finnish kennelclub they will keep it there as owned by them (Kennelclub) we are not very happy with this system, and more and more breeders take x-rays of their dogs, but do not send it to kennelclub, but ask judgement from vet (or few vets).

Finnish Kennelclub is "sligthly" against the breed, and in year 2000 as Molly was x-rayed, (x-rays left from vet as A/A, came from kennelclub as B/C)
x-rayed again, same result - i called there and asked about results ; person who judges x-rays (is still the same) asked from me, why the hell i ever imported dog of this breed to Finland? She told me that we do not need this kind of dogs in Finland at all. So.. Next x-rayed dog was daughter of Molly, x-rays left from vet as B/B and came from kennelclub as C/D. That was enough to me.
If you want to complain it cost double price, and if result stay same, you do not get any money back, if result get's different you will get complaining payment back. And if you want to complain to Nordic kennelunion it costs 4 times more.
So, the link above everyone can count how much costs x-rays for this dog (in fact imported from CZ, even is not CsV)

To take X-rays costs 150-200 eur + 21,20 to kennelclub (and if result is not satisfied you, then double, or even 4 times more) THEN if you want YOUR OWN X-RAYS back from kennelclub for example to show to someone (those you payed to vet as it was taken, and legally you own..) YOU MUST PAY 42,70. This is nonsense, you must pay from x-rays you payed once already.

ALL results taken before dog is registered in Finland is not possible to see in database, not even after registration.
Registration (dog from abroad) to Finland costs 68 eur, and i do not see any sense to register any of my imported dogs to our kennelclub until i have to. (possible litters)

As i had spoken to many people about x-rays (even dogs are more than hips) there had been very interesting discussions about differences between countries. Dog can be D/D in Finland, and same dog easily B/B in somewhere else.

Few more examples here:
http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...N33054/02&R=39
and
http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...40979/01&R=165
These are both from D/D to C/C
and these similary you can find as many as you have time to search from FIN database.

Then is one example about eye disease which suddendly disappear as research abroad: http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...N28382/00&R=39

Who knows how it goes in real. In Finland seem to be very bad way to handle results, and database.

-So, i don't have anything to send to WD.org, as i do not have official x-rays, and momentally we do not show our dogs so much, as we have small kids.. who keep us very busy. Maybe someday.

-Suski

[Wolfsirius]

Mikael; the dog i think you are speaking about is x-rayed, and x-rays is here by me, (still) even the dog is not owned by me. Vet took the x-rays , and we didn't send it to kennelclub, reason why, you can read from above i wrote about it just.

In fact, offspring of this female is x-rayed (abroad ) with good results.
Is your dog x-rayed already?

If i look up the pedigrees of my own dogs, (imported) there is lot of missing info about HD results from ancestors, even i think most of them must be x-rayed. (rules for origin countries)
And in fact, i am interested about many more things in the dogs than only hips, or show / workingresults.

Momentally i do not have time to keep up personal database about x-rays, or any other results, (except my own dogs, or dogs from me) even i would like to..

-Suski

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Mikael; the dog i think you are speaking about is x-rayed, and x-rays is here by me. (still) Vet took the x-rays , and we didn't send it to kennelclub, reason why, you can read from above i wrote about it just.

In fact, offspring of this female is x-rayed (abroad ) with good results.
Is your dog x-rayed already?
-Suski

I do not blame you or your kennel Suski...my report to the Fkk is not about you !!!

No, Hronec has no x-ray yet, but the legal mater is not exactly about him...But I will x-ray him very sone, when he is about 18 month old. But if he is A/A or not has nothing to do whit the legal mater...

Best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Vet took the x-rays , and we didn't send it to kennelclub, reason why, you can read from above i wrote about it just.

-Suski

Is there no way to do a Penn Hip X-ray in Finland ???

That way the result will be more exact as I understand it,
and (no) judgement but a measurement instead.

Best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Is there no way to do a Penn Hip X-ray in Finland ???

That way the result will be more exact as I understand it,
and (no) judgement but a measurement instead.

Best regards / Mikael

No, there was no Penn-Hip vet in Finland

Nearest is in Sweden, Poland, Denmark or Germany...www.pennhip.org
But I think that F.C.I law say you must X-ray in your own contry ???

Regards / Mikael

[Backman]

Hi, yes you must x-ray in "home-country" BUT you are allowed to send the pictures to another country for checking.. I know because some other breeders with "rare" breed in Finland have sent their pictures for checking to a country where they know "more" about the breed.
A woman working for finnish kennelclub told me that this is a possibility.
For breeding Czw in finland you don't need to have x-rayed dogs. Finnish kennelclub don't demand it.
But of course I will x-ray my own dogs so that I know they are healthy. And I know every good breeder do x-ray their dogs and think of future health.

Best regards
Jenny

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Backman

Hi, yes you must x-ray in "home-country" BUT you are allowed to send the pictures to another country for checking.. I know because some other breeders with "rare" breed in Finland have sent their pictures for checking to a country where they know "more" about the breed.

A woman working for finnish kennelclub told me that this is a possibility.

Best regards
Jenny

Thanks fore the answer Jenny
Maby this is something fore all CsV breeder in Finland to do...
If Fkk is no good at X-ray photos and they wont a official HD result ???

Best regards / Mikael

[Wolfsirius]

Mikael, there is momentally 2 CsV breeders in Finland.
As far as i know, matings made in Finland,
dogs are x-rayed, at least unofficially.
Please, remember, that dog is more than only hips.
And, dysplasy can cause from "bad owner" too.
If dog is too fat, feeded badly,
wrong excercise in very young age and so on..
So, let's take care about the breed totality.
And, once again, let's take care about new owners as well. This is not breed for everyone.

-Suski