Crying Wolf - kennel

[jasmine]

hmmmm if you would look after more precaisly... you could find more breeding dogs ,male and female with bonitacio in SK and CzRep...
but you don't care the facts, your aim only the shit dropping like some of your "friends"

[elf]

No answers as excepted (it's long time I did not except anymore for Frank as I know now he doesn't have enough knowledges).

Edit, I'm working with French first national research center, currently on new cognitive learning models, formerly working on Gene Therapy on a genes insertion positioning optimisation.

[jasmine]

HMMM you have got interesting job...but why did you write it me?
or are you interested in my "knowledge"????
I'm agricultural ingeniour,main profily is reproduction, now I just studee psycholigy,I was working with socialization research in ELTE University ,main trainer in search and rescue dog team in Hungary,member in curatorium in Foundation for Hungarian National breeds..............
And I surly know that there are a lot of things what I should studee more : ))))))))))

[jasmine]

try to find more...because there are !!!!!!

[jasmine]

and another but important things: every country has got the own breeding rules.....as my country and my klub has got as well...........we have caracter test (shouting, the dog must be touchable,protection work together with owner),other part is the judgment of the dog (exteriour), need two excelent showresults and HD results. Whithout any of them I couldn't get pedigree for the pups......
My klub accept just the hungarian "bonitacio"

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by jasmine

try to find more...because there are !!!!!!

not, afflicted, there is not

[jasmine]

Fortuna Crying Wolf, Wolfy,Wickey,Ushas Crying Wolf ....
and please tell me how many imported dogs are in Slovakia and CzehRep from other countries and are in breeding
it is another usless discussion

[elf]

Thanks this talk start to be informative.

so, I will tell you a story about HD examinations: one Xray was examined in CzehRep and got HD/C...the same Xray was sent to Poland and got HD/A, the same xray was sent to Slovakia and got HD/A and this xray was sent to my vet and got HD/D!!!!!!After this case no worth to talking about Hd results......

You are making several mistakes here.
No let's talk about it. People please share your experiences if you have strong different HD results from different country. I would be very astonished that there is a country very different from another. Another problem is the focus on the letter, does the dog has arthrosis, does the dog show passive laxity, regular bones shape, coverage trouble ? I can assure you that a hip with HD-D really shows troubles visible for almost any vets, so mistery...
Another problem is focuses too much the dog result as the pedigree analysis is very important, breeders argues that this dog is A this one is B, no problem mating them ! But checking the HD of back-relatives and back-back-relative are almost all non HD free, so yes statistically there is a real breeding trouble here. Intrinsic A has not the same value as some other and this should be in the equation. But people are puzzled, because it jumps generations, and it's "only" probability etc... HD probabilistic model just works, so worth making a deep care on that point.

Another things: inbreeding and linebreeding is not the same...and please write me what is your problem with my consaguinity? Have I got ill dogs? Are my pups die very early?Have you got any other defects? More than from other breeders? I think no........and why write that I use always high consaguinity? I couldn't see strong relativities inbetween Geri and Demon or Quenno and Demon, or Ali and Rubin or Argo and Queety and I could continue.......
I breed for my taste,for my fun.....and fortunately there are a lot of people who like my dogs!!!!

COI between 15% and 20% on five generations is a strong consanguinity, especially if we want to have a global politic/view large scale for this breed. Another error breeders make is to check only for 5 generations, but almost any "non consanguinity" mating in this breed is in reality around 20%, and so some of your mating (not high consanguinity for you) are indeed 40%-45% COI ; this means that for all the dog genome (around 22000 genes I guess) it's statistically more than 9000 possibility for an allele to meet its counter part (remembering that 3/4 of genetic disease comes from recessive trait), this is really too high... and really not needed, nowadays we can, and have to, breed differently if we want not dark future days...

[elf]

HMMM you have got interesting job...but why did you write it me?
or are you interested in my "knowledge"????

You wrote this: "NOT YOU ARE THE RIGHT PERSON WHO COULD CRITIZES ME....... "... and now wonder why ?

I'm agricultural ingeniour,main profily is reproduction

So you have no excuses, you know well the damage of high consanguinity, especially in this breed.
And you also know probabilistic models for HD propagation, I was lately reading HD propagation models against Markov chain, it's just working. So once again no excuse to mate bad HD pedigree dogs sir & dame. So no, I don't understand you, but there are maybe parts I don't understand so feel free to email me and explain to me when you would have time .

[jasmine]

so, I will tell you a story about HD examinations: one Xray was examined in CzehRep and got HD/C...the same Xray was sent to Poland and got HD/A, the same xray was sent to Slovakia and got HD/A and this xray was sent to my vet and got HD/D!!!!!!After this case no worth to talking about Hd results......

Another things: inbreeding and linebreeding is not the same...and please write me what is your problem with my consaguinity? Have I got ill dogs? Are my pups die very early?Have you got any other defects? More than from other breeders? I think no........and why write that I use always high consaguinity? I couldn't see strong relativities inbetween Geri and Demon or Quenno and Demon, or Ali and Rubin or Argo and Queety and I could continue.......
I breed for my taste,for my fun.....and fortunately there are a lot of people who like my dogs!!!!

[admin]

Originally Posted by jasmine

so, I will tell you a story about HD examinations: one Xray was examined in CzehRep and got HD/C...the same Xray was sent to Poland and got HD/A, the same xray was sent to Slovakia and got HD/A and this xray was sent to my vet and got HD/D!!!!!!

Which dog? Could you write the name so we can check it?
Thanks in advance!

[hanninadina]

It is nothing new, that the poland HD results are the most best in the world. I know this for 10 years from the briards - french herding dogs -.

Christian

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by jasmine

hmmmm if you would look after more precaisly... you could find more breeding dogs ,male and female with bonitacio in SK and CzRep...
but you don't care the facts, your aim only the shit dropping like some of your "friends"

cheer Mrs Molnar for this superb answer!!!!
and for Czech Republic : just Lupus Crying Wolf
why ??????? i don't understand ??????

http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...ogs&country=CZ