Differences in bonitations...

hanninadina · 09-09-2008, 14:12

Electricity collar is for three years officially forbidden in germany! I am very sorry, one of my friends is the highest police dog trainer in lower saxony where I live. And the police does not use electric collar. And Daiva even if there are some stupids who need electricity to work with their dogs, it is very sad if someone needs it too. Even if it is you, who wrote here in several times as if you are very experienced with dogs. And please when you are sometimes not able to handle Geryon like in Hronec, don´t you think that your dog maybe does not trust you? Because sometimes he was hurt by you through electricity collar. Csw is much too intelligent and he knows even if you stood far away that hurting has to do with your comand. that is my opinion.

Przemek, you wrote here about the old standard! New standard says, 1 cm under the smallest hights and 2 cm over is allowed otherwise disqualification. And this is what I mean, it should be written in standard not more and not less. Where is the problem? Than no one has to discuss over pages what is right and what is wrong. Things must be compareable. I did not know either that there different ways how to see a bonitation. So everyone should make several bonitations in different countries.

I don´t know, I thought you are the moderator of english forum, aren´t you? Someone says, that 3 famous breeders did not give me a puppy. I think you remember that I was in your house with my 8 year old daughter when you had beautiful litter with Jolly and Borko and the puppies had been1 week old?! Do you remember? I never ask you for a puppy, I only wanted to see how other breeders were rasing up puppies and how csw are. I ask you to confirm this. Not more. And someone if not you cancelled it from forum.

Christian

Pavel · 09-09-2008, 14:43

I must say, that Daiva said true. Electrical collar is absolutelly normally using by IPO top training (same like needle collar and string collar). In Germany too !!!
Electrical collar is very good training tool, but only for very specific using and using only under supervision of good experienced trainer. Is stupid to say, that electrical or needle collar are bad. With knife you can killing, but cutting bread as well. Every tool is good, if is correct use.

Torsten · 09-09-2008, 21:13

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I have others informaton from IPO trainers from Germany. Maybe it is forbidden but only official - almost all shephard breeders in your country use it.

that is absolutely correct….

mijke · 09-09-2008, 21:22

Also in other countries well experienced people and trainers are using an electrical collar for specific training

Torsten · 09-09-2008, 21:27

it is used as support (not for constant use)

Pavel · 09-09-2008, 21:30

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Originally Posted by mijke

Also in other countries well experienced people and trainers are using an electrical collar for specific training

Yes, Mijke wrote it absolutelly correct and must be stressed "specific training". Its mean not using by normally obedience. Electrical collar ist mostly (exc. IPO) using for correct the education faults, character problems (hunting instinct) etc.

loco · 09-09-2008, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Pavel

Yes, Mijke wrote it absolutelly correct and must be stressed "specific training". Its mean not using by normally obedience. Electrical collar ist mostly (exc. IPO) using for correct the education faults, character problems (hunting instinct) etc.

And used by the wrong hands

, you can also destroy a dog

.
It is very handy, but also very ubusing if you do not use it correct.
And that is just what you can see lately a lot in the dogsport

.

Groette Martine.

Pavel · 09-09-2008, 23:33

Martine, read my 2 last comments, I said it. I dont like only the people, who said generally, that electric or needel collar are bad. Its not true, because in some specific situations they are last and one only help.

Nebulosa · 09-09-2008, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Pavel

I must say, that Daiva said true. Electrical collar is absolutelly normally using by IPO top training (same like needle collar and string collar). In Germany too !!!
Electrical collar is very good training tool, but only for very specific using and using only under supervision of good experienced trainer. Is stupid to say, that electrical or needle collar are bad. With knife you can killing, but cutting bread as well. Every tool is good, if is correct use.

Perfect!
Remembering for who say that eletric collar "hurts", commonly the eletric colar are tested on the TREINER first before be used on the dog, it really not hurt at all, but gives a strange felling on the neck.
In official working trials and even in dogshows eletric collars and needle collars are forbiden, normally it's only acepted collars without strangler or with the strangler "grasped" at working trials, that not means we cannot use it for training.

09-09-2008, 14:43	#2
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	I must say, that Daiva said true. Electrical collar is absolutelly normally using by IPO top training (same like needle collar and string collar). In Germany too !!! Electrical collar is very good training tool, but only for very specific using and using only under supervision of good experienced trainer. Is stupid to say, that electrical or needle collar are bad. With knife you can killing, but cutting bread as well. Every tool is good, if is correct use. Last edited by Pavel; 09-09-2008 at 18:20.

09-09-2008, 21:22	#4
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	Also in other countries well experienced people and trainers are using an electrical collar for specific training __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

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Torsten Senior Member/ Dude Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Thüringen - East Germany Posts: 2,837	it is used as support (not for constant use) __________________ es ist egal gegen Wen oder Was man kämpft, wichtig ist Wofür...! Lieber stehend sterben – als knieend leben ! http://www.wolfs-hunde.com

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09-09-2008, 14:12	#1
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Electricity collar is for three years officially forbidden in germany! I am very sorry, one of my friends is the highest police dog trainer in lower saxony where I live. And the police does not use electric collar. And Daiva even if there are some stupids who need electricity to work with their dogs, it is very sad if someone needs it too. Even if it is you, who wrote here in several times as if you are very experienced with dogs. And please when you are sometimes not able to handle Geryon like in Hronec, don´t you think that your dog maybe does not trust you? Because sometimes he was hurt by you through electricity collar. Csw is much too intelligent and he knows even if you stood far away that hurting has to do with your comand. that is my opinion. Przemek, you wrote here about the old standard! New standard says, 1 cm under the smallest hights and 2 cm over is allowed otherwise disqualification. And this is what I mean, it should be written in standard not more and not less. Where is the problem? Than no one has to discuss over pages what is right and what is wrong. Things must be compareable. I did not know either that there different ways how to see a bonitation. So everyone should make several bonitations in different countries. I don´t know, I thought you are the moderator of english forum, aren´t you? Someone says, that 3 famous breeders did not give me a puppy. I think you remember that I was in your house with my 8 year old daughter when you had beautiful litter with Jolly and Borko and the puppies had been1 week old?! Do you remember? I never ask you for a puppy, I only wanted to see how other breeders were rasing up puppies and how csw are. I ask you to confirm this. Not more. And someone if not you cancelled it from forum. Christian

09-09-2008, 23:33	#8
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Martine, read my 2 last comments, I said it. I dont like only the people, who said generally, that electric or needel collar are bad. Its not true, because in some specific situations they are last and one only help.