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04-09-2008, 13:21
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 I am not insane to breed on dogs with disqualifying faults! The only thing I am breeding at home are mice, you can come and check them out 
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05-09-2008, 01:24
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. Were you never astonished about the excellent P1 note Mery get? During the youth presentation in Czech Republic she get P5 (note "good") because of the really visible problems with movement. The problem didn't disappeared and on your web page you wrote nice articles about hydroterapie which is necessary because of the problems with movement Mery has... Look, despite of the movement problems which she has she get without any problems the EXCELLENT note during the bonition in Belgium... Just perfect code...  [-> "is there a different standard for CSW in Belgium?"]Let's say you have an another female which has the same problems with the movement but they are caused not because of HD but slack ligaments. And the problems are visible... You see - with such female you would get perfect code and breed with her even if it is serious DISQUALIFYING FAULT.... Did you really never wondered about the result you get? |
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05-09-2008, 08:57
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I was not hidding her problems in front of the judge, Sona Bognarova either, Sona could see her not only during the bonitation, but also at our home and practically anytime for the two days she spent in Belgium. Despite the fact, and thanks to all the hydrotherapy we did, Sona could not find problems in her movement when presented in movement - which she said publicly and therefore gave her the code she gave her. If you are envious about a perfect code given to unbreedable dog, then I pity you.If you were not ridiculous, you would realise that with the dysplasia Mery has and about which I know from her 9 months of age, I did not even have to bother to bonitate her. And that the result of the bonitation, be it whatever, would not have changed the fact that she will never breed. Your hypothesis of "if I had a female" and "then it would be disqualifying fault" have no basis on real actions or facts. You have accused me and my kennel publicly and have absolutely no ground for it, except for your hatred and paranoia that everything is about you. I would appreciate, if you apologised for the false accusations you have made on me, my kennel and my dogs. |
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05-09-2008, 13:47
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And you must understand my worries about the breed because she is not the only example when dog with problems (not exactly HD but with slack ligaments) get nice note during the bonitation... Just see the famous case in Czech Republic about the bonitation in Prague I mentioned... ASK someone from CZ - they will tell you the story.... Quote:
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05-09-2008, 17:03
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All I wanted is a reply to my question, so as why a dog bonitated in Pozna with 64 cm in shoulder is not automatically P14. All I got were attacks and accusations from you and a lot of crap. I am still waiting for you to withdraw publicly your accusations against me, my kennel and my dogs. |
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05-09-2008, 17:38
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 FIRST you start topic with attacks on MY KENNEL and bonitation made during meeting organized by ME EVEN if you exactly know the answer for your questons: WHY the dog has the kind of bonitation code and that there are MORE dogs like this even if your country... Really please stop to play saint person - you never asked about such cases before when something like this appeared before, you never started a topic about slovak kind of bonitation when dog from your kennel get P1 although according your "MOST PERFECT CZECH BONITATION RULES" he should be P14 (I know why he is P1 and not P14 and I agree with it but according the code he is P14 and if you would be fair person you will start your posts blaming slovakian bonitation already 3 years ago).No - you exactly started the topic because of the reasons we all know perfectly... PRIVATE reasons: dog with MY kennel name...  For me it is no problem - we can talk about it.... But the topic include much more problems than the height only: differences between different countries, between another type of judgement and problem of the hiding of faults... But I see for you it is only great if you have the possibility to attack other people and breeders but when we start to speak about you, your deccisions and your kennel you see it as ACCUSATIONS... If you attack somebody and touch problematic things so be prepared to talk about it in the publicity and do not hide everything and do not try to end the disscusion behind "you blame my kennel - stop it"... I do not have such kind of problems and I can talk about everything in the public - I really believe in the words "Prawdziwa Cnota Krytyki Się Nie Boi!" (Real virtue is not affraid of critique - if you have nothing bad to hide you should be not affraid of any critique because you can explain everything)... If you have problem with disscusion please NEVER start topics like this because in such case be prepared you have also to answer some problematic questions...
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They say that the CZ bonitation does not give anything else than P14 to a maledog that is lower than the minimum of 65 cm.
Is the rule changed in the last past years ? Was it in the earlier days possible to get P5 in CZ, when your dog was lower than the minimum size?? Because this dog did his bonitation in CZ, but is lower than the minimum but got P5. http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...le=list&id=745 Ore is this because it is possible to a SL judge, to judge CZ bonitation ?? Groette Martine.
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05-09-2008, 18:57
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Hi,
I just started to read this discussion, so I'm giving some comments on things that are written some time ago... Quote:
And a bonitation is like a dog show: it shows the dog on one particular day, on one moment,... So maybe Mery's movement was fine during the minute she had to show her movements! While writing this, I start wondering for whom or for what I'm telling all this... It is completely off-topic, but I feel the urge to share this with all of you. It's insane that people start to 'attack' each other personally. I'm on nobody's side (I say this because it feels like there are different, opposite, 'sides'), but please stop saying all these things about each other. As far as I know Mirka, she only tries to do her best for the breed, in every possible way. And I guess that's the same for Margo and all others here on the forum. So why can't we JUST TALK/DISCUSS without all the other crap... This is worse then politics Or wait... this IS politics  But I'll continue reading. There is also useful information about the bonitation hidden behind the insults etc... Liesbeth
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