wolf percentage

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by tikaani

defra unfortunatly do it a diferant way over here where it goes down every generation,

But I dont understand, why you need it ??? CsW is not hybrid, not wild animal. CsW is a normally recognised dogs breed. Defra do it by e.g. GSD, shar-pei or boxer as well ? How ? All dogs (and not only dogs - all pets) have some part of "wildblood", but today is it never more the question, because are domesticate. And if somebody want to cross pure breed with wild animal, its no sense do it privat. And if somebody want to create new breed, must have a good project for it, all arguments why, and how, then is never more problem, because then get a special permission and nobody will counting a "wolfblood percentage".

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Pavel

But I dont understand, why you need it ??? CsW is not hybrid, not wild animal. CsW is a normally recognised dogs breed. Defra do it by e.g. GSD, shar-pei or boxer as well ? How ? All dogs (and not only dogs - all pets) have some part of "wildblood", but today is it never more the question, because are domesticate. And if somebody want to cross pure breed with wild animal, its no sense do it privat. And if somebody want to create new breed, must have a good project for it, all arguments why, and how, then is never more problem, because then get a special permission and nobody will counting a "wolfblood percentage".

You don´t understand, or you do not want to?

CSW is normally recognised dog breed by FCI. UK is not member of FCI, therefore they don´t care, which dog breeds FCI recognises or not. Imagine, that world does not end with borders of FCI! So if in UK they decide they don´t recognise a breed, that´s it.

On the other side, I spoke about the UK problem few days ago with my husband, who actually happens to know the DEFRA guys, who are responsible for the CSW problem. And surprise surprise, they say there is no problem with CSW in UK! They told him they do realise, CSW is a breed and they have no problem with the dogs comming to UK or staying.

Which makes me think, that the whole circurs about CSW´s being banned in UK was only Paul Winder´s trick, how to be in the middle of attention and how to be the first one (and only one) to have CSW in UK.

This whole debate about wolf percentage is then absolutely irrelevant. There was never a problem in bringing CSW into UK and no problem with wolf blood percentage (which is complete nonsense, anyways).

However, as we learned recently very disturbing news about Pacino´s kennel, it is very possible, that the problems with DEFRA or the breed be really banned can now happen easily. And frankly, I would not be surprised at all.

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

You don´t understand, or you do not want to?

CSW is normally recognised dog breed by FCI. UK is not member of FCI, therefore they don´t care, which dog breeds FCI recognises or not. Imagine, that world does not end with borders of FCI! So if in UK they decide they don´t recognise a breed, that´s it.

Mirka, I dont understand really. Pibull is not recognised breed as well and ask somebody about his "wolfblood percentage" ? Why by CsW ?

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Which makes me think, that the whole circurs about CSW´s being banned in UK was only Paul Winder´s trick, how to be in the middle of attention and how to be the first one (and only one) to have CSW in UK.

This whole debate about wolf percentage is then absolutely irrelevant. There was never a problem in bringing CSW into UK and no problem with wolf blood percentage (which is complete nonsense, anyways).

However, as we learned recently very disturbing news about Pacino´s kennel, it is very possible, that the problems with DEFRA or the breed be really banned can now happen easily. And frankly, I would not be surprised at all.

I have had this feeling, that DEFRA is not stupid organisation , then why would need such "wolfblood percentage" ? I feel, what you said, that this is problem of some owners and breeders in UK. Why and what they doing with CsW, i doesnt know, but it will be very nice from all, who will us inform about the situation.

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Mirka, I dont understand really. Pibull is not recognised breed as well and ask somebody about his "wolfblood percentage" ? Why by CsW ? .

Perhaps because 50 years ago, pitbull was not directly involved with pure wolf? And as far as pitbull is concerned, the breed has already enough banns and restrictions on its head, even without wolf blood percentage.
Is it really so hard to understand, that in some countries, the authorities have a strong syndrome of Red Ridding Hood, being affraid of anything too natural?
Having lived in Belgium for 4 years now, my opinions on this madness about CSW and wolf blood percentage haven´t changed, but seeing the way people think here, having read arguments on foreign forums, even UK one´s, I can understand it better.
It is neccessary to open your eyes, look beyond your own yard and country, see how people act there and think, then you can perhaps understand, how can some country come with such restrictions or ideas.

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

You don´t understand, or you do not want to?

CSW is normally recognised dog breed by FCI. UK is not member of FCI, therefore they don´t care, which dog breeds FCI recognises or not. Imagine, that world does not end with borders of FCI! So if in UK they decide they don´t recognise a breed, that´s it.

On the other side, I spoke about the UK problem few days ago with my husband, who actually happens to know the DEFRA guys, who are responsible for the CSW problem. And surprise surprise, they say there is no problem with CSW in UK! They told him they do realise, CSW is a breed and they have no problem with the dogs comming to UK or staying.

Which makes me think, that the whole circurs about CSW´s being banned in UK was only Paul Winder´s trick, how to be in the middle of attention and how to be the first one (and only one) to have CSW in UK.

This whole debate about wolf percentage is then absolutely irrelevant. There was never a problem in bringing CSW into UK and no problem with wolf blood percentage (which is complete nonsense, anyways).

However, as we learned recently very disturbing news about Pacino´s kennel, it is very possible, that the problems with DEFRA or the breed be really banned can now happen easily. And frankly, I would not be surprised at all.

have you the number and the name of the person you spoke to from defra, as i would like to contackt them and ask there opinion on this as iv had conflicting statments from them, thank you.

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by tikaani

have you the number and the name of the person you spoke to from defra, as i would like to contackt them and ask there opinion on this as iv had conflicting statments from them, thank you.

It was not me, but my husband, who is involved in regulatory affairs area. If you PM me your e-mail, I can put you in contact with my husband, he can explain you things better and perhaps he has the contacts you ask for. I only know he had met the people on one of his foreign conferences on very different matter, but went to discuss on wolfdogs with them during the break

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

And surprise surprise, they say there is no problem with CSW in UK! They told him they do realise, CSW is a breed and they have no problem with the dogs comming to UK or staying.

Very interesting - thank you, Mirka